The Megyn Kelly Show
The Megyn Kelly Show
April 2, 2026

Trump FIRES Bondi, CIA's "MK Ultra" History, and "Two Weeks" Spin, with Kiriakou, Davis and Ahmari

Quick Read

This episode dissects the political shake-ups in the Trump administration, the escalating Iran conflict, and a former CIA officer's revelations about the agency's covert operations, including the infamous MK Ultra program and pervasive Israeli influence on U.S. foreign policy.
Pam Bondi's firing stemmed from perceived incompetence and lack of aggression, not just loyalty.
The Iran war is heavily influenced by Israeli intelligence, with shifting U.S. justifications.
Former CIA officer reveals MK Ultra's mind control experiments and pervasive Israeli lobbying in Washington.

Summary

Megyn Kelly, joined by Soramari, Shawn Davis, and former CIA officer John Kiriakou, analyzes significant political developments and intelligence community secrets. The discussion begins with reports of Pam Bondi's firing as Attorney General, attributed to her handling of Epstein files, lack of aggression against Trump's political enemies, and poor performance on antitrust issues. The potential dismissal of DNI Tulsi Gabbard for her perceived reluctance to defend the Iran war is also explored. The conversation then shifts to the escalating conflict with Iran, with guests expressing concern over Trump's shifting justifications and the influence of Israeli intelligence. John Kiriakou provides a deep dive into the CIA's history, including his recruitment based on psychological profiling, the agency's practice of breaking laws overseas, and the disturbing details of Project MK Ultra's mind control experiments. He also highlights the pervasive influence of Israeli intelligence within the U.S. and the challenges of congressional oversight.
This episode offers a critical look into the inner workings of U.S. political power, foreign policy decision-making, and the clandestine operations of intelligence agencies. It reveals how internal loyalty tests and external influences shape high-stakes government actions, from personnel changes to military engagements. The detailed account of CIA recruitment and historical abuses like MK Ultra underscores ongoing concerns about government transparency and accountability, particularly regarding domestic surveillance and the potential for foreign manipulation of U.S. interests.

Takeaways

  • Pam Bondi's dismissal as Attorney General was reportedly due to her handling of the Epstein files, perceived lack of aggression against Trump's political adversaries, and poor antitrust enforcement.
  • Tulsi Gabbard's position as DNI is reportedly at risk due to her association with Joe Kent's anti-war stance and her own skepticism about the Iran conflict.
  • Trump's shifting rhetoric on the Iran war, including a 'two to three weeks' timeline, is seen by some as a political maneuver, while others express concern over potential war crimes and Israeli influence.
  • Former CIA officer John Kiriakou details the agency's recruitment of individuals with 'sociopathic tendencies' and the historical abuses of Project MK Ultra, including LSD experiments and biological agent releases on U.S. citizens.
  • Kiriakou asserts that Israeli intelligence actively attempts to recruit U.S. officials and maintains a significant, undeclared presence in America, heavily influencing U.S. foreign policy through lobbying groups like AIPAC.
  • The lack of robust congressional oversight allows intelligence agencies to operate with limited accountability, fostering public distrust and enabling potentially illegal domestic surveillance.

Insights

1Pam Bondi's Firing: A Mix of Loyalty, Competence, and Political Targets

Pam Bondi's reported firing as Attorney General was multifaceted. Shawn Davis suggests it was due to her lack of competence despite loyalty, particularly in handling the Epstein files and failing to aggressively pursue Trump's political enemies like Leticia James and James Comey. Soramari adds that Bondi's DOJ was criticized for its poor performance in antitrust enforcement, specifically citing the disempowerment and eventual firing of Gail Slater, who was tasked with a populist antitrust agenda. Megyn Kelly highlights Bondi's public relations missteps, such as prematurely announcing access to Epstein's client list and an 'inept' attempt to deflect Epstein questions by praising the Dow.

Shawn Davis's analysis of Bondi's performance (), Soramari's critique of antitrust enforcement (), Megyn Kelly's references to Bondi's Fox News appearance () and cabinet meeting deflection (), Daily Mail report on Swallwell tip-off ().

2Tulsi Gabbard's DNI Role Under Threat Due to Anti-War Stance

Reports indicate that DNI Tulsi Gabbard's position is precarious, with President Trump privately polling advisors about her replacement. The primary reasons cited are her perceived reluctance to condemn former deputy Joe Kent's opposition to the Iran war and her own long-standing anti-foreign intervention views. Trump's public statement about having 'confidence' in Gabbard was described as 'tepid,' suggesting underlying dissatisfaction with her alignment on the administration's Iran policy.

The Guardian's report on Trump polling advisors (), Trump's tepid confidence statement (), Soramari's explanation of the 'restraint camp' losing influence ().

3Trump's Shifting Iran War Narrative and Entitlement Stance

Trump's communication regarding the Iran war is characterized by shifting justifications and a lack of clear timelines, often stating objectives are 'largely completed' while simultaneously threatening further action. This ambiguity, combined with a leaked soundbite where Trump suggested states should handle Medicaid and Medicare to fund military protection, marks a significant departure from his previous 'entitlement protection' promises. This shift risks alienating key demographics that formed his coalition.

Soramari's analysis of Trump's address and leaked soundbite (), Shawn Davis's interpretation of Trump's speech as a desire to 'wrap up' the war (), Kiriakou's criticism of threatening infrastructure as a war crime ().

4CIA Recruitment and the 'Sociopathic Tendency'

Former CIA officer John Kiriakou reveals that the CIA actively seeks to recruit individuals with 'sociopathic tendencies.' These individuals possess a conscience but are willing to operate in 'legal, moral, and ethical gray areas' and break laws overseas if they believe it serves the greater good of protecting the U.S. This trait enables agents to conduct covert operations like planting listening devices without remorse, a necessary characteristic for intelligence work.

John Kiriakou's explanation of 'sociopathic tendencies' in CIA recruitment (), his personal experiences with breaking into homes/businesses ().

5Project MK Ultra: A History of Mind Control and Abuse

Kiriakou details Project MK Ultra, a CIA operation from 1953-1975, aimed at mind control. Initial experiments involved dosing CIA personnel with LSD, leading to at least one suicide. The project then expanded to random citizens in San Francisco, using prostitutes to drug individuals and extract secrets. Other experiments included releasing bacteria into the air in San Francisco and dosing an entire French village's bread with LSD. Despite these unethical methods, the project failed to achieve its mind control objectives, and 85% of its documents were destroyed by the DCI after a congressional order not to.

John Kiriakou's detailed account of MK Ultra's origins, methods, and outcomes (), including LSD experiments on agents and citizens, biological agent release, and the destruction of documents.

6Pervasive Israeli Influence on U.S. Foreign Policy and Intelligence

John Kiriakou asserts that Israeli intelligence consistently attempts to manipulate U.S. foreign policy, particularly regarding Iran. He recounts personal experiences of Israeli attempts to recruit him and highlights the presence of 187 undeclared Israeli intelligence officers in the U.S. actively stealing secrets. Kiriakou and Kelly criticize the lack of congressional challenge to this influence, attributing it to fear of powerful lobbying groups like AIPAC, which can fund primary challenges against non-compliant politicians.

John Kiriakou's account of Israeli prime ministers requesting U.S. action against Iran (), his personal experience with Israeli recruitment attempts (), the FBI's identification of undeclared Israeli intelligence officers (), and the discussion on AIPAC's influence on Congress ().

7Lack of Oversight and Domestic Surveillance Concerns

Kiriakou expresses concern over the lack of robust congressional oversight of U.S. intelligence agencies since the early 1980s, leading to a situation where members of Congress are 'afraid' of the agencies rather than overseeing them. He highlights the CIA's historical illegal spying on American citizens (pre-1975 Church Committee reforms) and the post-9/11 return to such practices. He also mentions Wikileaks' Vault 7 revelations about the CIA's ability to remotely control cars and turn smart devices into listening tools, raising questions about domestic surveillance without warrants.

John Kiriakou's discussion on the Church Committee reforms (), the post-9/11 return to 'bad old days' (), the Senator's fear of losing security clearance (), and the Vault 7 revelations about car hacking and smart TV surveillance ().

Lessons

  • Scrutinize official narratives and timelines regarding foreign policy, especially when justifications for military action appear to shift or lack clarity.
  • Advocate for stronger, independent congressional oversight of intelligence agencies to ensure accountability and prevent abuses like domestic surveillance without warrants.
  • Be aware of the potential for foreign influence on U.S. policy-makers and media, and critically evaluate information from sources with vested interests.
  • Consider the privacy implications of smart technology, as intelligence agencies possess advanced capabilities to access and control personal devices.

Quotes

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"I think unfortunately, uh she was very loyal. Absolutely. She wasn't particularly competent. I think she dropped the ball on a ton of things."

Shawn Davis
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"The Epstein case was not just about Jeffrey Epstein. It was a proxy for a shadow government, a bunch of corrupt people who could lead the nation around by the nose, uh get rich and never have any accountability."

Shawn Davis
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"I was hoping that he would declare victory and announce that the boys are coming home. Uh, and that's not what we saw. What we saw was that we're winning or we won, which I don't believe we are. And um, and we're going to keep fighting for weeks. that's probably going to stretch into into months. But one of the things that really disturbed me the most was the president threatened again to attack Iran's uh infrastructure, specifically its electrical grid. And that is quite literally a war crime."

John Kiriakou
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"Every single Israeli prime minister would come and say, 'Please bomb Iran. Please bomb Iran. Please bomb Iran.' And every president would say, 'No, we're not going to bomb Iran.' Until this president. And the Israelis from 1986, the Israelis have have been saying that the Iranians were 6 months away from a nuclear bomb. Just simply not true."

John Kiriakou
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"The CIA actively seeks to hire people who have sociopathic tendencies, not sociopaths. Sociopaths have no conscience. They don't feel guilt or remorse... People who have sociopathic tendencies do have a conscience. They do feel guilt or remorse, but they're willing to break the law or to work in legal, moral, and ethical gray areas if they believe it's the right thing to do."

John Kiriakou
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"When the FBI raided my house... one of the FBI agents said, 'You know, this was the first time in my career that we ever that we ever uh took somebody's electronics and we didn't find any porn.' And I said, 'What do you think? I'm an animal.'"

John Kiriakou

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