"F*CK THIS!" Even ICE Agents DISGUSTED w/ICE Thuggery in MN
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Summary
Takeaways
- ❖ICE and Border Patrol agents, including Republicans, universally blame Border Patrol officers for a recent shooting, citing unprofessional and chaotic conduct.
- ❖The mission in cities like Minneapolis is perceived internally as a 'national security mission' or 'counterinsurgency' against protesters, not standard immigration enforcement.
- ❖Experienced agents actively avoid urban deployments, resulting in a force primarily composed of young, untrained recruits and aggressive volunteers.
- ❖Border Patrol agents, accustomed to border environments, struggle with urban contexts, leading to cultural clashes and operational missteps (e.g., slipping on ice).
- ❖Internal communications, like a CBP memo stating 'steady state' operations post-leadership changes, indicate no true pivot in the administration's aggressive approach.
- ❖The administration's public labeling of protesters as 'terrorists' psychologically impacts agents, overriding internal legal briefings on permissible conduct.
Insights
1Internal Blame for Officer Misconduct
Every agent interviewed by Ken Clippenstein, including Republicans, blamed the Border Patrol officers involved in a recent shooting, describing their conduct as 'unprofessional, chaotic, and crazy.' This contradicts any narrative of external criticism and highlights deep internal disapproval of operational tactics.
Interviewed eight people from both ICE and Border Patrol; every single one blamed the Border Patrol officers involved in the shooting. They thought it was unprofessional, chaotic, and crazy.
2Mission Drift and Demoralization
Agents are profoundly demoralized by the shift from immigration enforcement to a 'national security mission' or 'counterinsurgency' against protesters. Many signed up to combat cartels and violent felons, not to engage in crowd control, which they find embarrassing and destructive to the agency's reputation.
All the guys I talked to think this is a disaster for the agency that long-term it's going to just destroy the reputation of it. They signed up to fight cartels and now deal with protesters in crowd control, which is profoundly demoralizing.
3Selection Bias in Deployments
The visible enthusiasm of agents in Minneapolis stems from a selection bias: more experienced agents actively avoid these deployments. The government relies on volunteers, attracting 'gung-ho' individuals and young, untrained recruits who are more likely to embrace aggressive tactics and the 'radical insurgency' narrative.
More experienced people are pulling every lever they can to try to avoid these deployments. The people sent are volunteers, which gets the really gung-ho people who want to get in an altercation and buy into the idea of protesters as a radical insurgency.
4Cultural Clash and Operational Incompetence
Border Patrol agents, accustomed to the distinct legal and operational environment of the border (fewer civil liberties, dealing with cartels), bring that 'worldview' to urban settings. This leads to a disconnect with local populations and practical issues, such as agents from the Southwest being unable to navigate icy conditions.
Border Patrol agents have a very different worldview from the border, where there are fewer civil liberties. They bring assumptions about cartels and human trafficking to Minneapolis. Many are 'boys from the southwest' who don't know how to walk on ice.
5Administration's Mixed Messaging and 'Legal Checking a Box'
Despite internal legal briefings advising agents on permissible conduct (e.g., people can film, curse), the administration publicly frames protesters as 'terrorists' and offers 'full immunity' to agents. Agents perceive these legal briefings as merely 'checking a box' for future investigations, while the public rhetoric encourages belligerent behavior.
Internally, legal counsel says people can film and curse, but the admin publicly calls these guys terrorists. Agents say legal briefings are 'just legal checking a box' so the admin can say they had compliance, while leaders say 'full immunity' meaning 'we'll have your back if you get in trouble.'
Lessons
- Scrutinize official narratives about federal law enforcement deployments by seeking out internal perspectives, which often reveal significant dissent and operational issues.
- Recognize that 'volunteer' deployments in law enforcement can lead to selection bias, attracting individuals prone to aggressive tactics rather than those with appropriate skills or temperament for the mission.
- Analyze the psychological impact of political rhetoric on frontline agents; public labeling of groups as 'terrorists' can override legal guidelines and encourage belligerent behavior.
- Demand clear and consistent leadership from federal agencies, as mixed messages from political figures and internal legal counsel create confusion and demoralization among personnel.
- Investigate the training and cultural integration of specialized units (e.g., Border Patrol) when deployed to unfamiliar urban environments, as their established 'worldview' may be ill-suited for new contexts.
Quotes
"I can go on and on, but overall it's been a ridiculous experience."
"As much as I support this administration, there needs to be more common sense in situations like this, not a knee-jerk damage control narrative that does not line up with the evidence on video."
"Every single one of them blamed the Border Patrol officers involved. And I want to stress that's not coming from some liberal lefty position. I think every person I talked to, maybe with the exception of one, were Republicans. They just thought it was unprofessional, chaotic, and crazy."
"The more experienced people are pulling every lever they can to try to avoid these deployments because they don't want to be involved in any of this."
"All virtually all the guys I talked to think this is a disaster for the agency that long-term it's going to just destroy the reputation of it."
"It's like they're talking about Vietnam where the locals hate them. And no, seriously, like they're they don't know what's going on. They hate the officer corps. they don't trust the leadership, they don't want to be here."
"He said, 'These guys are passing a flask around while we're supposed to be at a stakeout.'"
"Everyone knows that means we're going to have your back if you if you get in trouble."
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