The Joe Budden Podcast Episode 924 | Reasonable Expectations
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Summary
Takeaways
- ❖Celebrity relationships, especially breakups, are often amplified and distorted by social media, leading to extreme public reactions.
- ❖The concept of 'love bombing' can create false expectations in relationships, particularly for public figures.
- ❖Media narratives surrounding political events, like the White House Correspondents' Dinner shooting scare, can be perceived as staged or manipulative.
- ❖The New York Times' '30 Greatest Living American Songwriters' list sparked debate over inclusions like Young Thug and notable omissions.
- ❖In the creative industry, perceived 'leverage' for compensation increases can be a misconception, as demonstrated by the Ary Spears/VladTV dispute.
- ❖Filming customer service disputes, while effective for resolution, can be a double-edged sword for public figures.
Insights
1The 'Reasonable Expectation' of Cheating in High-Profile Relationships
Joe Budden argues that it's 'reasonable to expect' wealthy, handsome, and famous men like Klay Thompson to cheat, citing their past behavior, numerous options, and the speed at which relationships develop in the public eye. He suggests that women entering such relationships should be prepared for infidelity, viewing it as a probability rather than a possibility.
Joe Budden states, "It would almost be naive to think that this man with all the things that we just said would be now committed in 6 months... his track record says it. The girls before said it. He scored 60 in 11 dribbles. Says it. He scored 40 points in one quarter. He has four championships. It says it." He later adds, "It's reasonable to assume that men are going to cheat. It's reasonable to assume that rich and powerful people are really likely to cheat."
2Publicizing Breakups: A Double-Edged Sword for Celebrities
The hosts discuss how Meg the Stallion's public announcement of her breakup with Klay Thompson, including details of cheating and 'playing house,' instantly ignited intense public scrutiny and varied reactions. While it allows for emotional release, it also invites speculation, impacts careers, and can be seen as a 'social media version of keying a car.'
Mark states, "I wouldn't say go to social media right away cuz it affects your career. It's affecting your life. It also puts a spotlight... it just does a lot of things that I don't think you want to do." Joe Budden adds, "I think she knows the game. Yo, see I think it's far simpler than that. I think you did something to piss me off. I'm gonna embarrass you about it. I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna put you on Front Street for the [expletive] you did because one of the things being the good, nice, handsome, tall, light-skinned guy is you have a reputation and I'm gonna embarrass him. This is the social media version of keying in your car."
3Skepticism Surrounding High-Profile Political Incidents
The hosts express skepticism about the White House Correspondents' Dinner shooting scare, noting perceived inconsistencies and the timing of such events often coinciding with a need for public sympathy or distraction for political figures. They question the lax security and the detailed 'manifestos' left by alleged perpetrators.
Joe Budden remarks, "It seems weird and it always seems to come at a moment where he needs some public sympathy. And a distraction." He continues, "I don't believe that these people have enough skills to get guns past professionals... but we always leave this manifesto or the notes... we ain't have enough skill to burn the paper."
4Critiquing the '30 Greatest Living American Songwriters' List
The New York Times' list sparks debate among the hosts, who acknowledge many legendary inclusions but question the absence of influential figures like Brian Michael Cox, Jermaine Dupri, and Max Martin. The inclusion of Young Thug, while respected as an artist, is particularly scrutinized in the context of songwriting prowess compared to established legends.
Ish states, "I don't see how you do this list without B Cox." Joe Budden adds, "He's definitely higher than Young [Thug]... no disrespect to Mariah. If you put Mariah there, then you got to put JD and B Cox there because a lot of her classic [expletive] came through that camp." Mark concludes, "Respectfully, I'm not putting him and Dolly Parton on the same list."
5Leverage in Creative Industry Compensation Disputes
The discussion around Ary Spears' request for more money from VladTV, following Boosie's successful negotiation, highlights the complexities of perceived leverage. The hosts argue that simply being the 'last man standing' after others leave doesn't automatically grant more value, especially if individual numbers don't support a significant pay increase.
Joe Budden asserts, "Ary Spears, you not on the the pay me more people list... you don't have leverage, beverage, or nothing else that rhymes with [expletive] beverage." Mark adds, "The exploitation of the labor depends on what the value is you're earning for the company... it's very clear he shouldn't be getting Booy money."
Lessons
- Exercise caution when publicizing relationships or breakups on social media, as it can have unforeseen personal and professional consequences.
- Develop a strong sense of self-awareness and critical thinking to avoid 'love bombing' or misinterpreting gestures in new relationships.
- When consuming news, especially about high-profile events or celebrity drama, maintain a healthy skepticism and consider multiple perspectives beyond initial narratives.
Quotes
"The Joe Button podcast is the Wendy Williams for 40y old dude."
"When a dude brings y'all around his family, that don't mean he love you. That don't mean nothing."
"It's reasonable to assume that men are going to cheat. It's reasonable to assume that rich and powerful people are really likely to cheat."
"If what she's saying is true, then yes, Clay did something [expletive] up. And I don't want to say, 'Well, we shouldn't talk.'"
"It's a horrible precedent to set. Where if we don't like the guy, then we shoot him. Like that's not That's not good."
"I'm rooting for any creator that is on some, you know what, it's time for me to go out there and hunt my own food type [expletive]. I'm rooting for you."
"Before people ask for more money, they got to look at themselves and say what? Look. Don't say nothing. Find a mirror, stare, gaze, have an honest assessment about what you see. And then decide if you want to move forward with asking for more money."
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