Julian Dorey Podcast
Julian Dorey Podcast
February 7, 2026

"Lying SCUM!" - Julian ERUPTS on Epstein Files, Elites & LIARS | 381

Quick Read

Julian Dorey and Joey DeFe dissect the latest Epstein files, exposing alleged lies and deep-seated complicity among powerful figures like Howard Lutnick, Elon Musk, and Steve Bannon, while also theorizing about the intelligence community's involvement.
Howard Lutnick, a key Trump advisor, allegedly lied about his relationship with Epstein, with emails showing he planned to visit Epstein's island with his children years after Epstein's conviction.
Elon Musk engaged in frequent, casual email exchanges with Epstein, inquiring about 'wildest parties' on his island, raising questions about his claims of minimal contact.
The hosts theorize U.S. intelligence agencies became complicit with Epstein, using his blackmail network for information, rather than shutting him down.

Summary

Julian Dorey and Joey DeFe react with outrage to the latest release of Jeffrey Epstein files, emails, and related documents. They meticulously analyze specific communications involving high-profile individuals such as Elon Musk, Howard Lutnick, Peter Thiel, Ahoud Barack, Tom Pritzker, and Steve Bannon. The hosts highlight alleged inconsistencies, outright lies, and disturbing implications of these interactions, particularly focusing on Howard Lutnick's denial of close contact with Epstein despite emails showing otherwise, and Elon Musk's frequent communication with Epstein after his conviction. They also explore the theory of Epstein as an intelligence asset, the potential complicity of U.S. intelligence agencies, and the broader societal impact of these revelations, including Donald Trump's dismissive response and attacks on politicians advocating for transparency.
The episode exposes alleged hypocrisy and potential criminal complicity among some of the world's most influential people, challenging public trust in political and economic elites. It suggests that the Epstein scandal is not merely about a single pedophile but a systemic issue involving intelligence operations, blackmail, and a widespread cover-up that transcends political affiliations, demanding greater accountability and transparency from those in power.

Takeaways

  • Howard Lutnick, a Trump advisor, allegedly lied about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, with emails showing he planned to visit Epstein's island with his children in 2012, years after Epstein's 2008 conviction.
  • Elon Musk exchanged multiple emails with Jeffrey Epstein between 2012-2014, inquiring about 'wildest parties' on Epstein's island, despite later downplaying his contact.
  • Jeffrey Epstein was recorded pitching former Israeli Prime Minister Ahoud Barack on joining the board of Palantir, a company with CIA investment, in 2013-2015.
  • The hosts theorize the CIA became complicit with Epstein, leveraging his blackmail network for intelligence rather than arresting him.
  • Steve Bannon was in extensive communication with Epstein, including emails where Bannon warned Epstein of a 'crazy jihad' against him and inquired about his 'mission'.
  • An email from Tom Pritzker to Jeffrey Epstein in 2011, from Afghanistan, included the phrase 'my birthday wish with boys with toys,' raising disturbing implications.
  • Donald Trump's dismissal of the Epstein files as a 'Democratic hoax' and his attacks on politicians seeking transparency are criticized as a 'disgrace'.

Insights

1Howard Lutnick's Alleged Deception and Disgraceful Conduct

Howard Lutnick, current Secretary of Commerce for Donald Trump, allegedly lied about his minimal contact with Jeffrey Epstein. Lutnick claimed he only met Epstein once in 2005 and found him 'disgusting,' leading him to cut all ties. However, emails from December 2012 show Lutnick, who lived next door to Epstein, planning a visit to Epstein's island with his wife and eight children (ages 7-16), years after Epstein's 2008 conviction. The hosts highlight Lutnick's laughter during a White House press conference when Trump dismissed the Epstein situation as a 'hoax' as further evidence of his alleged lack of integrity.

Lutnick's interview claiming one meeting in 2005 (). Email from Howard Lutnick to Jeffrey Epstein, December 19, 2012, discussing travel to St. Barts/Anguilla and bringing eight children with specific ages (2 16s, 2 14s, a 13, a 12, an 11, and a 7-year-old) to Epstein's island (). Video of Lutnick laughing at a White House press conference ().

2Elon Musk's Extensive Communication with Epstein

Elon Musk engaged in frequent email exchanges with Jeffrey Epstein between 2012 and 2014, often responding within a day. These emails show Musk inquiring about 'wildest parties' on Epstein's island and planning visits, sometimes with his then-wife. The hosts note that this contradicts Musk's public image of having minimal contact with Epstein and suggest his recent calls for transparency might be a PR tactic to deflect suspicion.

Emails from Elon Musk to Jeffrey Epstein on Christmas Day 2012 and a month prior, asking about parties and bringing his wife (). Emails from March and December 2013 showing continued communication and visit planning (). The hosts' observation of the 'dick sucking tone' from Epstein towards Elon and Elon's quick replies ().

3Epstein's Alleged Role as an Intelligence Asset and CIA Complicity

The hosts assert that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence spy, not merely an 'access agent,' working for Israel. They theorize that the CIA discovered Epstein's operations in the late 1990s or early 2000s and, instead of arresting him, formed an 'unholy alliance.' The CIA allegedly used Epstein's blackmail network to gather information on powerful individuals, making them complicit in his crimes to preserve a 'house of cards' bureaucracy and avoid an international incident.

Host's assertion that Epstein worked for Israel (). Theory of CIA complicity, trading protection for information (). Discussion of Epstein's extensive properties and connections ().

4Palantir's Connection to Epstein and Israeli Government

A recording reveals Jeffrey Epstein pitching former Israeli Prime Minister Ahoud Barack on joining the board of Palantir, a data analytics company co-founded by Peter Thiel, in the 2013-2015 timeframe. Palantir was founded with significant investment from In-Q-Tel, the CIA's venture capital arm, and has recently assisted the Israeli government in controversial operations in Gaza. The hosts find it 'fascinating' that Epstein was pushing for such a connection years ago.

Audio recording of Epstein pitching Palantir to Ahoud Barack (). Discussion of Palantir's founding with In-Q-Tel investment and its role with the Israeli government ().

5Steve Bannon's Deep Ties and Alleged Intelligence Role

Steve Bannon was in constant communication with Jeffrey Epstein, with over 500 emails and numerous text messages exchanged, particularly in 2018-2019. Bannon sent Epstein articles, offered advice, and warned him of a 'crazy jihad' against him. The hosts strongly believe Bannon is an 'intelligence person,' not merely a media figure, and describe him as a 'Robert Maxwell type character' due to his extensive work in various places for multiple entities.

526 emails/threads between Bannon and Epstein (). Bannon's email on March 12, 2019, about Acosta's sex offender plea deal (). Bannon's email on August 19, 2018, warning of a 'crazy jihad' and asking about Epstein's 'mission' (). Host's assertion that Bannon is an 'intelligence person' ().

6Disturbing Email from Tom Pritzker

An email from Tom Pritzker of the billionaire Pritzker family to Jeffrey Epstein on June 6, 2011, stated: 'I am in a remote valley of Afghanistan. (it's my birthday wish) with boys with toys.' The hosts interpret this as a highly disturbing reference, especially given documented issues of child exploitation in Afghanistan, and express shock at such content being casually exchanged via email.

Email from Tom Pritzker to Jeffrey Epstein, June 6, 2011 (). Discussion of what 'boys with toys' implies in the context of Afghanistan ().

Bottom Line

Jeffrey Epstein, despite his public persona, was likely a highly intelligent individual whose stuttering and rambling communication style served as an effective 'cover' or 'access spy thing.' This allowed him to put smart people at ease, making them underestimate his intellect and inadvertently reveal information.

So What?

This challenges the common narrative that Epstein was a mere charlatan or idiot, suggesting he was a sophisticated operator capable of manipulating his elite network for intelligence gathering. It implies that many powerful figures may have been genuinely outmaneuvered or deceived, rather than simply being naive.

Impact

Future investigations should analyze Epstein's communication patterns and intellectual capabilities more deeply, rather than dismissing him as unintelligent, to better understand how he cultivated and exploited his network.

The widespread 'mass psychosis' and inability to discern truth from conspiracy theories, exacerbated by the Epstein files, might be a deliberate tactic by elites to further divide and distract the public from genuine issues of power and control.

So What?

This suggests that the chaos and proliferation of unverified information around scandals like Epstein's could be a feature, not a bug, of how power structures maintain control. By overwhelming the public with conflicting narratives, it becomes harder to focus on concrete accountability.

Impact

Journalists and analysts should prioritize rigorous verification and focus on undeniable facts, even amidst a deluge of speculative content, to counter this potential 'mass psychosis' and provide clear, actionable intelligence.

Lessons

  • Demand accountability from public figures, regardless of political affiliation, who are implicated in the Epstein files or who actively obstruct transparency.
  • Exercise extreme skepticism towards public denials and statements from individuals known to have associated with Jeffrey Epstein, cross-referencing them with released documents and verified evidence.
  • Support politicians like Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna who consistently push for full transparency and the release of all unredacted Epstein files, despite political pressure.

Quotes

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"This guy was very publicly convicted and Elon in 2008 was already he was becoming a big name. He was about to do a fucking cameo in Iron Man. You know, like he he was a known guy. And so ask it's just look asking what night the wildest party on your island's going to be is not great."

Julian Dorey
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"Jeffrey Epstein worked for Israel. Period. End of story. I don't say that as a shot to anyone. I say that as a fucking inarguable fact."

Julian Dorey
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"So, I was never in the room with him socially, for business, or even philanthropy. That guy was there. I wasn't going cuz he's gross. Oh. And so I look back at it as a gift. He gave me a gift of a voice. And so, yeah, that's my story. A one and absolutely done."

Howard Lutnick
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"Hi Jeff. We are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon and planning to head over to St. Bart/Angila on Monday at some point. Where are you located? As in what is the exact location for my captain? Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good? I have another couple, Michael and Mary Lurman, with me on my boat. And each of us has four children. Two 16s, two 14s, a 13, a 12, an 11, and a seven-year-old. I remind you this is four years after Jeffrey Epstein was convicted."

Howard Lutnick (email read by Julian Dorey)
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"As you probably know, I represent the Rothschilds. I was hoping to figure out a way for the bank that has 160 billion in management can do something in tech. Best client list in the world. prehistoric products. It can wait. Good luck in China. I'll be in Europe again the 20th to 28th, then the island. So, if you want to come around the world going west, come to the island. Or if you would like to meet in Saudi at the end of the month."

Jeffrey Epstein (email read by Julian Dorey)
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"Certainly not in Saudi. Just think I will avoid the Middle East for the next decade or so. should be back on East Coast in late April or May sometime in New York City or on island."

Peter Thiel (email read by Julian Dorey)
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"I am in a remote valley of Afghanistan. (it's my birthday wish) with boys with toys."

Tom Pritzker (email read by Julian Dorey)
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"Robert Maxwell threatened MSAD. He told them that unless they gave him 400 million euros to save his crumbling empire, he would expose all he had done for them in that time."

Jeffrey Epstein (email read by Julian Dorey, quoting someone else)
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"There is a craze jihad against you. I've never seen anything like it and I've seen a lot."

Steve Bannon (email to Jeffrey Epstein)
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"I have told people for years that I think Steve Bannon is the most dangerous known man in America. I've said that. It has nothing to do with his politics. Nothing to do with his politics. But he he is not a media guy... this is an intelligence person 100%."

Julian Dorey

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