THE TWILIGHT SAGA Compilation Movie Reaction! | All TWILIGHT Movie Reactions w/ Jaby & Kristen!
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Summary
Takeaways
- ❖Jaby unexpectedly enjoyed the first Twilight movie more on re-watch, appreciating its campy nature.
- ❖Kristen found Bella's extreme paleness and immediate attraction to Edward unrealistic and problematic.
- ❖The hosts debated the 'glittering vampire' effect, with Kristen disliking it and Jaby finding it less bothersome.
- ❖Robert Pattinson's acting as Edward was highly praised for elevating poorly written material.
- ❖Bella's consistent lack of self-preservation and attraction to danger was a recurring point of critique and fascination.
- ❖The hosts noted the structural weakness of the antagonists, who disappear for long stretches of the film.
- ❖The 'push-away' dynamic in relationships, where attempts to distance oneself draw others closer, was discussed as a realistic human flaw depicted in the film.
Insights
1Re-evaluation of Twilight's Campiness and Appeal
Jaby, who initially disliked the first Twilight film, found himself enjoying it significantly more on a re-watch. He attributed this to being able to appreciate its 'campiness' and 'goofiness,' and taking the film for what it is rather than being critical. This shift in perspective allowed him to find 'fun golden nuggets' and enjoy the overall experience, especially with commentary.
Jaby states, 'I enjoyed this a lot more than I was expecting to. I remember more than anything from the first time I watched it was just not liking this at all. But I think as I've gotten older, I'm able to see things differently and appreciate it for different reasons when you just examining all the parts and just taking it for what it is, you know, cuz there's a campiness of the whole thing. There's a goofiness.'
2Robert Pattinson's Performance Elevates Weak Material
Both hosts, particularly Jaby, praised Robert Pattinson's portrayal of Edward Cullen. They noted that despite what they considered 'difficult material' and 'iffy' writing, Pattinson managed to make the character work, often 'stealing the show.' This highlights the actor's ability to bring authenticity and depth to a role that could easily have fallen flat.
Jaby comments, 'I've come to really appreciate Robert Pattinson. Like I think that he's such a good actor... he's actually handling the material cuz this is difficult material... you got to find a way to like be real and like be authentic with this stuff that's just not well written. It's like if you the writing is it's so like iffy. And he's like he's actually making it work. He stole the show so many times.'
3Bella's Recklessness and Attraction to Danger
The hosts frequently pointed out Bella's consistent lack of self-preservation and her inexplicable attraction to dangerous situations and individuals. This behavior, from trusting Edward despite his warnings to deliberately putting herself in harm's way, was a source of both frustration and fascination for the reactors, framing her as a 'stupid lamb' drawn to a 'lion.'
Kristen exclaims, 'You're playing with fire girl. This is like the classic thing of like, I can change him. I can fix you.' Jaby adds, 'everything she's doing supremely realistic of our kind. This dude's hopping around the forest like a crazy throwing [__] saying, 'Stay away from me.' And she's like, 'No, I trust you. We're good. We're good.'
4Critique of Antagonist Development
The hosts criticized the film's handling of its antagonists, specifically the tracker vampire James and his companions. They noted that the villains appear early on, then disappear for a significant portion of the movie, only to return when dramatically convenient. This structural flaw undermined their impact and left the hosts wanting more consistent storytelling for the 'bad guys.'
Jaby observes, 'structurally the movie is not good. Okay. Cuz the bad guys they're like they show them and then they just disappear for most of the film. And for some inexplicable reason, the one who sounds the he sounds a little bit Jamaican to me, the the black dude... he just decided, I'm not a bad guy. I'm like, okay, I think I need a little more story there.'
5Bella's Emotional Manipulation and Audience Frustration
The hosts consistently express frustration with Bella's character, particularly her emotional dependence on Jacob while stringing him along without commitment. They describe her actions as 'selfish' and 'manipulative,' highlighting how her indecisiveness creates a 'frustrating' viewing experience.
Kristen states, 'I'm so frustrated with her right now.' Jaby adds, 'She's emotionally depending on him, but doesn't want to give him everything.' Later, Jaby calls Bella's actions 'super manipulation' when she kisses Jacob in front of Edward.
6Jacob's Character Evolution and Improved Portrayal
Initially perceived as a 'guppy,' Jacob's character becomes more 'interesting' and 'hot' to the hosts after his physical transformation (haircut, muscular physique, tattoo) and a perceived improvement in acting. This shift makes him a more compelling figure in the love triangle.
Jaby notes, 'Damn, he got hot.' Kristen comments, 'Jacob definitely evolved to be a more interesting character over the course of the movie because in the beginning he was kind of a snore and then like he cut his hair, he got that he, you know, he's flexing, got the tattoo, he's got a little edge to him, then he became more interesting. His acting just went up.'
7Narrative Pacing and 'Burying the Lead' Criticism
The hosts criticize the film's pacing, arguing that it takes too long to get to the 'interesting things,' often saving significant plot developments and action for the end of the movie. This 'burying the lead' approach leaves them wanting more at the conclusion, but feeling bored during earlier sections.
Jaby states, 'The thing that kind of frustrates me with the Twilight series so far is that it almost feels like they keep burying the lead to the end of the movie and I'm like, where is this? You you take so long to get to the interesting thing and then the movie's over.'
8The Volturi's Imposing Power and Bella's Unique Shield Ability
The Volturi are established as a formidable force, with Aro's ability to read thoughts and Jane's power to inflict pain. Bella's unique immunity to these powers, acting as a 'shield,' makes her a valuable and intriguing anomaly to the ancient vampire coven.
Jaby exclaims, 'Dang. That's wicked powerful.' when Jane inflicts pain. Kristen notes, 'She's a shield. She's shielded.' Aro states, 'Let us see if she is immune to all our powers.'
9Bella's Performance Evolution
Kristen Stewart's portrayal of Bella significantly improved with each film, particularly in 'Eclipse'. Her increased confidence and less 'whiny' demeanor made her performance more engaging and easier for the audience to connect with.
Kristen: 'First off, I think this was her best performance out of the three by far. She progressively gets better with each film.' Jaby: 'I really needed that from her in this because it made it easier for me to watch her performance.'
10Jacob's Manipulative Nature vs. Edward's Integrity
The hosts debated Jacob's character, noting his aggressive and manipulative tendencies, especially when forcing a kiss on Bella. They contrasted this with Edward, whom they perceived as non-manipulative, even if he withheld information.
Jaby: 'The scene when Jacob manipulated her into kissing him, it's like I'm frustrated because I'm I'm pulled between two ideas. On the one hand, it's like that actually is in line with Jacob's character... Edward is the better dude in the situation. Like he wouldn't do that. He wouldn't manipulate her that way.' Kristen: 'Edward doesn't manipulate her. He just doesn't tell her [__] and then lies about it.'
11The Controversial Imprinting on Renesmee
Jacob's imprinting on the newborn Renesmee was a shocking and 'weird' plot twist. While initially seen as a 'power move' to protect the child, it was later clarified that imprinting is an involuntary wolf phenomenon, a sacrifice that ensured the child's safety from the pack.
Jaby: 'I think it's supremely weird that Jacob imprinted on a baby... I thought that was a smart move on his part because he was trying to come up with a way to protect the child because of his love for Bella.' Kristen: 'When he did that, it wasn't for what you normally would imprint for... it was a power move. He made a sacrifice to give that away.' (Later) Kristen: 'I was wrong. Okay. because I thought he chose to imprint on her. And in this one, I realized he did not choose to imprint on her. It just happened.'
12The 'Vision' Twist and its Impact
The climactic battle against the Volturi was revealed to be Alice's vision of a potential future, not a real event. This narrative choice disappointed Jaby, who felt it undermined the emotional stakes and impact of the perceived character deaths.
Jaby: 'I just feel a little bit shafted by that whole thing with the war being a vision. It was cool that they were actually like doing things and killing people off. I'm like, 'Wow, that's ballsy.' And then I realized, yeah, they the movie didn't have any balls. It didn't commit to any of those deaths, which would have been so meaningful.'
13Pacing Issues in Split Films
Both hosts agreed that 'Breaking Dawn Part 1' felt 'dragged out' and contained too much 'fluff,' particularly the honeymoon sequence. They believed the story could have been a single, shorter film or that key plot points from Part 2 should have been introduced earlier to improve pacing and character development.
Kristen: 'I felt was a little bit dragged out too much where I feel like they it was a bunch of fluff and they wasted a bunch of time for me.' Jaby: 'I think that's my issue with the film is that like it feels like it was dragged out to make a part one. It's like this all of this could have been way shorter.'
14Unexplored Narrative Potential and Pacing Issues
The hosts agree that the Twilight saga, despite its interesting premise, failed to fully explore many cool ideas and backstories introduced throughout the films. The narrative often felt stuck in Seattle, missing opportunities for broader world-building. Later films, especially the final two, were criticized for uneven pacing, featuring long 'fluff' sections followed by sudden bursts of action, suggesting a rushed production or lack of cohesive storytelling.
The host states, "Twilight is an interesting premise with a lot of cool ideas that a lot of which didn't ever fully get explored over the course of this journey... it was largely just like we're going to go from we're going to go to his house now. Oh, we're going to go to this house now." and "some of it felt like it was rushed for me like and then they it's just like they almost didn't have anything. So, a lot of them had that weird long fluff section and then all of a sudden cool stuff would happen."
15Staggering Financial Success vs. Creative Execution
Despite their critiques of the films' narrative and special effects, the hosts are genuinely surprised and impressed by Twilight's financial performance. The first two movies, made for a combined $130 million, each grossed nearly a billion dollars. This commercial triumph leads them to acknowledge that from a producer's standpoint, the franchise was executed perfectly in terms of return on investment, even if creative potential was left on the table.
The host exclaims, "I'm just like shocked at how well these movies did uh financially... the first two movies were made for around $130 million. They both grossed nearly a billion dollars each. Damn." and "From a just looking at it from a producer standpoint, they did everything right because they made their money and they made it well."
16Character Development Discrepancies
The hosts note a significant difference in character development between Edward Cullen and Jacob Black. Edward's character arc, particularly his resistance to Bella and eventual acceptance, was appreciated by one host. Conversely, Jacob's character was seen as underdeveloped, largely confined to a 'wet blanket' role after his initial transformation, with limited 'colors to play with' beyond his incessant pleas for Bella's affection.
The host states, "I came away appreciating Edward Cullen a lot more than I anticipated I would... I appreciate his perspective, his character, and what Robert Pattinson did with it." and "I wish that Taylor Lautner was given more colors to play with as a character over the course of the stories... he's just like wet blanket for the rest of the story until this fun story mean to him."
Bottom Line
The studio's decision not to 'milk' the Twilight franchise further, despite its massive financial success and numerous planted story seeds, is surprising and potentially a missed opportunity for even greater revenue.
This suggests that even highly profitable franchises might have internal or external constraints (e.g., source material limitations, actor contracts, creative fatigue) that prevent indefinite expansion, even when financially viable.
For other studios, this highlights the importance of identifying and strategically expanding successful intellectual property beyond initial installments, potentially through spin-offs, anthologies, or parallel stories, to maximize long-term value.
Opportunities
Franchise Expansion Strategy for High-Demand IP
Develop a comprehensive strategy for extending successful film franchises beyond the core narrative, focusing on spin-offs, anthology series, or exploring backstories of secondary characters. This approach aims to capitalize on established fanbases and planted narrative seeds, as the Twilight hosts noted many unexplored concepts that could have fueled additional content.
Key Concepts
Character Archetypes (Puppy vs. Cat)
Kristen uses the analogy of Jacob being a 'puppy' (needy, aggressive, one-note) and Edward being a 'cat' (more reserved, less manipulative) to describe their distinct personalities and approaches to Bella, highlighting their core traits.
Narrative Pacing and 'Fluff'
The hosts frequently discuss 'fluff' in the movies, referring to unnecessary or dragged-out scenes that don't advance the plot, particularly in 'Breaking Dawn Part 1's honeymoon sequence. This highlights how pacing can impact audience engagement and the perceived value of a film's runtime.
Lessons
- When adapting popular books, prioritize a balanced narrative flow to avoid sections of 'fluff' followed by rushed action, ensuring consistent engagement.
- For film producers, recognize that financial success can sometimes overshadow creative shortcomings; however, striving for both can lead to more enduring and critically acclaimed franchises.
- Invest in robust character development for all key players, even supporting ones, to provide actors with more 'colors to play with' and enrich the overall story.
Notable Moments
Kristen's initial reaction to Bella's extreme paleness, questioning how someone from Phoenix could be so pale.
Highlights an early visual inconsistency that breaks immersion for a new viewer.
The hosts' reaction to Edward's 'gaslighting' of Bella after saving her from the van, denying his supernatural speed.
Points out a problematic character trait that is often romanticized, prompting a critical discussion.
Bella's deliberate act of putting herself in danger by approaching bikers to 'see Edward's ghost' after their breakup.
Emphasizes Bella's self-destructive tendencies and her desperate need for Edward, even if it means risking her life, a recurring theme.
Jaby's personal anecdote about the 'you want what you can't have' dynamic in relationships, relating it to Edward pushing Bella away.
Connects the film's romantic tension to a relatable human psychological phenomenon, explaining why Bella might be drawn in.
Jacob's dramatic transformation into a werewolf is revealed, leading to a confrontation with another vampire (Victoria).
This moment solidifies Jacob's supernatural identity and his role as Bella's protector, shifting the dynamic of the love triangle and introducing the werewolf vs. vampire conflict.
Bella's cliff jumping incident and subsequent rescue by Jacob, followed by Alice's vision and Edward's near-suicidal attempt to provoke the Volturi.
This sequence highlights Bella's recklessness, Jacob's unwavering devotion, and Edward's despair, setting up the dramatic confrontation with the Volturi and forcing Bella to confront her feelings.
The Volturi's assessment of Bella's unique 'shield' ability and their demand for her to be turned into a vampire.
This establishes Bella's extraordinary nature within the supernatural world and creates a ticking clock for her transformation, forcing Edward's hand regarding marriage.
Jasper's backstory as a Confederate Army major who trained vampire armies is revealed.
This vignette provides crucial context for Jasper's combat skills and the history of vampire warfare, enriching the world-building and foreshadowing the upcoming battle with Victoria's newborn army.
Edward proposes marriage to Bella as a condition for turning her into a vampire, and Bella eventually agrees, but with her own condition regarding human experiences.
This is a pivotal moment in their relationship, formalizing their commitment and setting the stage for future conflicts and transformations. It also highlights Bella's desire to retain some humanity before becoming immortal.
Bella's best performance in 'Eclipse'
The hosts noted a significant improvement in Kristen Stewart's acting, making Bella more confident and less irritating, which enhanced their viewing experience of the film.
The intense tent scene in 'Eclipse'
This scene effectively captured the complex tension and character dynamics between Edward, Bella, and Jacob, aligning with their established personalities.
Bella's horrifying pregnancy and birth
The depiction of Bella's rapidly progressing, life-threatening pregnancy and the brutal birth of Renesmee was shocking and visceral, generating strong reactions from the hosts about its horror-like elements and visual effects.
Jacob imprints on baby Renesmee
This controversial and 'weird' plot twist was a major turning point, establishing a unique protective bond and altering the dynamics between the main characters, while also sparking debate about its implications.
Bella's vampire transformation and new powers
Bella's transition into a vampire and the immediate manifestation of her powers, including a powerful mental shield, was a highly anticipated moment that redefined her character and her role in the supernatural world.
The reveal of the final battle as a vision
This twist generated strong disappointment from Jaby, who felt it cheapened the emotional impact of the perceived deaths and the high stakes that had been built up, while Kristen found it an acceptable cliffhanger.
Host Jaby admits he was wrong about a plot point from a previous Twilight reaction, specifically that a character's decision was not chosen but just happened.
This demonstrates a willingness to re-evaluate and correct previous analyses, adding credibility to their overall review process.
The hosts discuss the extended end credits of the final Twilight film, which included every actor from every movie, and debate whether it was a genuine emotional moment for the audience or a cynical attempt to pad runtime.
This highlights a common filmmaking tactic to influence perceived film length and audience emotional response, and raises questions about its effectiveness and sincerity.
Quotes
"She looks like a vampire. She's so pale. How is she coming from Phoenix and then she's that pale?"
"You keep gaslighting her. Just keep gaslighting her. It's all right. It's totally romantic to gaslight her."
"I'm the world's most dangerous predator. Everything about me invites you in. My voice, my face, even my smell. As if I would need any of that."
"The lion fell in love with the lamb. He just called you a lamb. What a stupid lamb. What a stupid sick masochistic life."
"I think that he's such a good actor and it helps that like I you know Batman is the first time I properly watched him and was like oh he's actually really good because he had done films since the Twilight franchise... And so looking at him through a new lens I was like oh my gosh like he's actually handling the material cuz this is difficult material."
"When you I'm trying to like when I tried to push girls away, it just drew them in more. And say And likewise, okay. And likewise, when I was on the receiving end of that where a girl was trying to like push me away or or whatever, it drew me in more. And it's some sort of stupid human thing where it's like you want what you can't have."
"She's emotionally depending on him, but doesn't want to give him everything."
"It's really frustrating how the best way to get someone's attention is to pretend they're not important."
"Victoria feels it's only fair to kill Edward's mate, given he killed hers."
"I have never met anyone more prone to life-threatening idiocy."
"If any of them bites a human, the truce is over."
"I'm exactly right for you, Bella. You know I love you. But I'll always be waiting."
"It wasn't a choice between you and Jacob. It was between who I should be and who I am."
"It might be too late for my soul, but I will protect yours."
"First off, I think this was her best performance out of the three by far. She progressively gets better with each film."
"I think that once you succumb to the nature of the movie, it it just gets more fun is the thing because it's like there's like a campiness, a haminess to the whole thing. And you sort of have to give into that in order to just enjoy it for what it is."
"Edward doesn't manipulate her. He just doesn't tell her [__] and then lies about it."
"His character is one note the entire movie. Edward is given hills and valleys to play with."
"I think it's supremely weird that Jacob imprinted on a baby, but you know, I suppose in the grand scheme of things, like what is age but a number?"
"I just feel a little bit shafted by that whole thing with the war being a vision. It was cool that they were actually like doing things and killing people off. I'm like, 'Wow, that's ballsy.' And then I realized, yeah, they the movie didn't have any balls."
"Twilight is an interesting premise with a lot of cool ideas that a lot of which didn't ever fully get explored over the course of this journey."
"I'm really honestly genuinely surprised they didn't try to milk this any further. And by all rights, they should have. There's so much they set up, so many seeds they planted."
"I came away appreciating Edward Cullen a lot more than I anticipated I would."
"I just remember in part two like the whole movie he's like, 'You're supposed to be with me. Why can't you see it?'"
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