White House Panicked Over ICE Optics?; Democrats Preemptively Cave w/ David Dayen | MR Live
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Takeaways
- ❖ICE operations, including agent pay, continue unaffected by government shutdowns due to existing $75 billion in pre-approved funds for enforcement and removal.
- ❖Congressional Democrats, including Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, have expressed a desire to avoid a government shutdown, effectively ruling out using DHS funding as leverage against ICE.
- ❖Tom Homan's (former acting ICE director) proposal to 'make famous' and 'broadcast' the faces of ICE protesters is viewed as a miscalculation, likely to create heroes and increase community support for activists.
- ❖The White House is reportedly concerned about the optics of ICE operations, particularly the 'mass chaos in the streets' that mirrors Trump's 2020 re-election talking points.
- ❖Trump's policy pronouncements (e.g., capping credit card bills, new healthcare policy) are described as 'Wizard of Oz populism' or 'words of a con man,' lacking genuine legislative support or consistency with his past actions.
- ❖New York City Mayor Mandani's administration is seen as a progressive model, using existing regulatory structures to achieve immediate, tangible changes for New Yorkers, such as citing delivery companies for tip shortchanging.
Insights
1ICE Operations Unaffected by Government Shutdowns
David Dayen clarifies that even if Congress fails to pass a full-year funding bill for the Department of Homeland Security, ICE operations and agent salaries would continue. This is because ICE has access to a ready reserve of $75 billion, pre-approved by Congress, specifically for enforcement and removal operations.
Dayen states, 'the reality is in the last shutdown, ISIS operations didn't change... they continued to work even with the ICE agents getting paid because there was money in the big beautiful bill that was dedicated to removal and enforcement.'
2Community Protests as Primary ICE Accountability
The hosts and Dayen assert that direct community action, such as protesting and documenting ICE activities, is currently the most effective form of accountability for the agency. They contrast this with the perceived political inaction of elected officials.
Dayen notes, 'the accountability measures being held are being conducted by people with whistles and not politicians.' Sam Seder adds, 'these people that they broadcast, they're going to get right-wing hate, but their employers are going to... they're going to be employees of the month. They're going to get they're like the community is going to be the he's going to create heroes.'
3Trump's 'Music Man Populism' Lacks Substance
Trump's recent policy proposals, such as capping credit card bills or new healthcare plans, are characterized as superficial. Dayen argues these declarations are inconsistent with Trump's past actions and lack any realistic path to legislative implementation, serving primarily as rhetorical tools.
Dayen labels it 'Wizard of Oz populism' and 'the words of a con man,' pointing out that 'everything that Trump has done in his first year in office has undermined every single one of these ideas.'
4New York City's Progressive Governance Model
Mayor Mandani's administration in New York City is highlighted for its strategy of making immediate, tangible differences for citizens by leveraging existing regulatory structures and laws. This approach aims to deliver results without waiting for protracted political fights.
Dayen explains, 'there's this desire to get things done immediately right away and that is what the regulatory structures that are already in place using existing laws in the city of New York can do.' He cites examples like citing delivery companies for tip shortchanging.
Bottom Line
ICE's strategy of escalating violence and attempting to 'dox' protesters has backfired, creating a more determined and unified opposition rather than compliance.
This suggests that traditional intimidation tactics are ineffective against a highly motivated grassroots movement and can inadvertently strengthen the resolve of activists.
Advocacy groups can leverage this dynamic by highlighting the 'hero' status of targeted individuals, further galvanizing public support and resources for anti-ICE efforts.
The political impact of progressive governance at the municipal level, like in New York City, is more significant than its material impact on national policy.
While local laws may not directly translate nationally, successful progressive administrations can serve as powerful political examples, demonstrating that left-wing policies can 'govern' effectively and achieve tangible results, influencing the broader party direction.
Progressive movements should prioritize and invest in local electoral victories to build a 'farm team' of talent and demonstrate governing capacity, creating a blueprint for future national political shifts.
Lessons
- Recognize that direct action and community organizing are critical for holding agencies like ICE accountable, as traditional political leverage (e.g., government shutdowns) is often ineffective.
- Support and publicize individuals who are targeted or 'doxed' by authorities for protesting, transforming attempts at intimidation into opportunities to create community heroes.
- Focus on local and municipal political victories to implement progressive policies using existing regulatory frameworks, demonstrating tangible results and building a foundation for broader political change.
Quotes
"The accountability measures being held are being conducted by people with whistles and not politicians."
"These people that they broadcast, they're going to get right-wing hate, but their employers are going to... they're going to be employees of the month. They're going to get they're like the community is going to be the he's going to create heroes."
"The only thing that's been learned is a greater determination to continue to get out there and and throw sand in the gears."
"It's the words of a con man. I mean, there is no chance that this Republican Congress is going to pass anything that would need legislative action."
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