Basement #011: Peter Levenda | Nazis, UFOs, and the Hidden History Nobody Tells

Quick Read

Peter Levenda recounts his audacious youth, from impersonating an Orthodox priest to infiltrate Bobby Kennedy's funeral, which inadvertently plunged him into a clandestine world of intelligence fronts, Nazi gold, and deep state operations that shaped his 50-year career investigating hidden histories.
Levenda dodged the Vietnam draft by creating a fake Orthodox church, leading to an infiltration of Bobby Kennedy's funeral.
His 'church' connections exposed him to intelligence fronts, Nazi gold operations, and covert government activities.
These early, surreal experiences shaped his 50-year career investigating the 'dark intersections' of occultism and intelligence.

Summary

Peter Levenda, author and investigator, details his unconventional entry into the world of occultism, intelligence operations, and hidden history. Starting at 17, he fabricated an Orthodox priestly identity to avoid the Vietnam draft, a scheme that led him to infiltrate Bobby Kennedy's funeral at St. Patrick's Cathedral. This audacious act opened doors to a network of 'churches' that served as fronts for various clandestine activities, including a Ukrainian Orthodox church with ties to former SS members and Nazi gold funneling, and another linked to the CIA and FBI. Levenda describes encountering figures like a wrestler who claimed to work for the CIA in the Middle East and a clergyman involved in a book-stealing ring, all while navigating a complex web of anti-communism, political intrigue, and personal danger. These early experiences, driven by a desire to avoid Vietnam and a fascination with foreign cultures and hidden truths, became the foundation for his lifelong investigation into the 'dark intersections' of power and the esoteric.
Levenda's origin story reveals how seemingly disparate events—personal draft dodging, high-profile assassinations, and obscure religious groups—can converge to expose a hidden layer of geopolitical and intelligence operations. His narrative highlights the audacity of youth in challenging established systems and the unexpected pathways into deep state investigations, demonstrating that significant insights often emerge from unconventional, even surreal, personal experiences.

Takeaways

  • Peter Levenda, at 17, created a fake Orthodox priest identity to avoid the Vietnam draft, a scheme that inadvertently led him into a world of intelligence operations.
  • He infiltrated Bobby Kennedy's funeral at St. Patrick's Cathedral, gaining access to high-profile figures and witnessing a significant security breach.
  • Levenda discovered 'churches' acting as fronts for various clandestine activities, including funneling Nazi gold and serving as covers for CIA/FBI agents.
  • He encountered a Ukrainian Orthodox church tied to former SS members and anti-communist crusades, revealing complex historical alliances.
  • Levenda's early experiences included spying on a book-stealing operation run by monks, which was eventually busted by the feds.
  • His direct confrontation with Selective Service, threatening to expose what he knew, resulted in his deferment being reinstated.

Insights

1The Kennedy Assassination and UFO Connection

Levenda, inspired by Jacques Vallée, posits that the Kennedy assassination was not merely a political conspiracy but part of a deeper, 'volcanic eruption' of societal forces, similar to the UFO phenomenon, suggesting a profound, underlying synchronicity of events.

Jacques Vallée pointed out a 'weird' connection between the assassination and UFO phenomena in 1963, suggesting a deeper, violent eruption beneath society that we don't suspect until it occurs.

2Nazi Gold Funneled Through Indonesia Post-WWII

A reader's insight helped Levenda connect a Nazi war criminal in Indonesia to a financial account used to funnel 20 tons of Nazi gold into Jakarta. This gold was intended to support Sukarno's 'revolutionary fund' for non-aligned nations, opposing the established IMF.

A reader connected specific numbers and an address from Levenda's books, revealing a Nazi war criminal opened an account in Jakarta to funnel Nazi gold. 20 tons of Nazi gold from Portugal ended up in Jakarta for Sukarno's non-aligned nation fund.

3Post-War Indonesian Government Infiltration by Former SS

Following Sukarno's deposition and the civil war in Indonesia, West German embassies and consulates were staffed by former SS members. These individuals used Nazi gold to finance operations against Sukarno's government, falsely painting him as a communist.

West German embassies and consulates in Indonesia were staffed by former SS members, who used Nazi gold to finance the overthrow of Sukarno's government by labeling him a communist, despite CIA assessments to the contrary.

4Ukrainian SS Division Relocated to New Jersey Post-WWII

During WWII, many Ukrainians allied with Nazis to escape Soviet control. Post-war, an entire Ukrainian SS division, including families, was brought to New Jersey, where they established churches and cemeteries, some burying prominent Nazi Ukrainians.

An entire Ukrainian SS division, who allied with Nazis to escape Soviet control, was brought to New Jersey after the war, establishing churches and cemeteries for 'famous Nazi Ukrainians'.

5Churches as Intelligence Fronts in the US

Levenda's involvement with the American Orthodox Catholic Church revealed it was a front for intelligence operations, with its incorporation papers signed by a CIA and an FBI agent. The church facilitated covert activities, including consecrating bishops for political purposes in foreign nations.

Propheta, the bishop of the American Orthodox Catholic Church, stated that a CIA agent and an FBI agent incorporated his church, providing protection. The church consecrated a Nigerian 'holy prophet' bishop to support the Nigerian regime against Biafran Christians.

6Wrestler Antonyino Rocca's Alleged CIA Operations

Levenda encountered famous wrestler Antonyino Rocca at a meeting, who openly discussed his work for the CIA in the Middle East, including flying unapproved Phantom jets to Israel via Luxembourg and dealing with casualties in Lebanon.

Antonyino Rocca, a famous wrestler, told Levenda and others at a synagogue meeting about working for the CIA in the Middle East, including flying Phantom jets to Israel that were unapproved by Congress and dealing with two agents killed in Lebanon.

7Colonia Dignidad: A Nazi Cult's Power in Pinochet's Chile

In 1979, Peter Levenda visited Colonia Dignidad, a secluded German compound in Chile, which he discovered was a heavily funded Nazi cult operating with significant autonomy. Local Chilean authorities warned him of its danger, its disregard for Chilean law, and its history of children disappearing, later confirmed to be linked to the leader, Paul Schaefer, a pedophile.

Levenda's personal account of being stopped, interrogated in German by Schaefer and his men, and then being told by Germans in Chile that he was 'no longer welcome in this country' and must leave immediately. This was followed by Chilean military stops and US agents meeting him at Miami airport, confirming the colony's far-reaching influence. News of a German parliamentary vote on Nazi war crimes prosecutions coincided with his trip, suggesting his visit was perceived as a political provocation.

8Nazi Occultism as Core Ideology, Not Fringe History

Levenda argues that Nazi occultism, including the SS Ahnenerbe's expeditions to Tibet and Antarctica, was not a 'kooky side alley' but a central, driving force behind the Third Reich's political and military ambitions. He states the Nazi party was a 'complete cult' aiming to 'rewrite history completely from a Nazi racist eugenicist point of view.'

His findings at the National Archives included captured German documents detailing SS expeditions to Tibet (seeking 'Shambala') and Antarctica, and research into runes for a 'runic yoga.' He also found 1930s newspaper articles and film footage of SS 'archaeologists' in Tibet with swastika flags. Hitler's personal interest in Wagner and occult literature further supports this.

9The Mory Island UFO Incident's Unsettling Connections to JFK Assassination Figures

The 1947 Mory Island UFO incident, where a boat was hit by debris from a UFO, killing a dog and injuring a boy, involved Fred Chrisman (port master) and was investigated by FBI agent Guy Banister. Decades later, both Chrisman and Banister, along with David Ferry and Jack Martin, were linked to Lee Harvey Oswald and the alleged New Orleans plot to assassinate JFK, all connected through right-wing, anti-communist, and strange religious organizations.

Air Force intelligence officers investigating Mory Island died when their B-25 exploded. Reporter Tom Mel, who obtained a transcript of their meeting, also died mysteriously. Guy Banister, who tracked UFOs for J. Edgar Hoover (documented in 'X-Files'), later ran a detective agency in New Orleans where Oswald was associated. Chrisman, like Ferry and Martin, was involved in the same 'weird church' and right-wing circles, forming a direct, documented link between early UFO phenomena and the JFK assassination narrative.

10Lee Harvey Oswald's Entanglement with Intelligence-Linked Occult Circles

Lee Harvey Oswald, a defector to Minsk who returned with a Russian wife (niece of a GRU colonel) and a State Department loan, was strategically placed. Ruth Payne, who helped him secure a job at the Texas School Book Depository, was the daughter-in-law of Arthur Young (Bell helicopter inventor turned occultist) and connected to Andrea Puharic's Round Table Foundation, an institute for paranormal research with deep intelligence ties and attendees like Alan Dulles' mistress.

Oswald's wife was connected to Soviet military intelligence. Ruth Payne, a Quaker, hosted Oswald's family and facilitated his employment. Her familial and social connections to Arthur Young and Andrea Puharic's Round Table Foundation, a group of 'blue blood Americans' and intelligence figures studying the paranormal, suggest Oswald was a pawn in a much larger, occult-tinged intelligence game.

11The "Nine" Entity and its Influence

In the early 1950s, a group of nine prominent individuals, including members of the Astor and DuPont families, held seances with an Indian medium. This medium channeled entities who identified themselves as "the nine" and claimed to be in a UFO in "low Earth orbit," directing planetary events. These entities communicated scientific answers and expressed an intent to "change the course of history."

The guest, Peter Levenda, states that transcripts of these sessions were published by Puharic (one of the participants), and the identities and backgrounds of the attendees are known. Puharic himself, a military figure, later brought Uri Geller to SRI, where Geller also channeled "the nine." The host notes the timing coincides with significant UFO events in 1952.

12UFO Connections to the JFK Assassination

Levenda's research into the JFK assassination uncovered direct links to this "nine" entity phenomenon and broader UFO connections. Figures like Ruth Payne, who housed Lee Harvey Oswald, were connected to this "other world" of paranormal and UFO interests. Oswald himself was involved with "weird people" and UFO connections in New Orleans.

Levenda states that finding these UFO connections within the assassination research was what drew him into UFO studies, despite not being a UFO researcher previously. He frames it as a direct "plug into this whole world."

13The "Men in Black" Phenomenon as Non-Human Intelligence

Levenda recounts two personal "Men in Black" (MIB) experiences: a surveillance incident in Rhode Island involving two old cars and strange individuals asking for a specific, obscure company name he had recently encountered, and a later encounter in Singapore where one of the women from the Rhode Island incident tapped him on the shoulder, smiled, and waved. He initially thought them sloppy agents but, after the Singapore incident and discussions with UFO researcher Timothy Good, concluded they were not government agents but part of a non-human intelligence phenomenon.

The specific details of the two-car team, the obscure "Dilbus" name (which had a personal, almost psychic, connection to Levenda), and the impossible coincidence of the woman appearing in Singapore years later. Timothy Good's advice on how "they" acknowledge presence in public places supports this interpretation.

14Compelling Evidence for Hitler's Escape to Indonesia

Levenda presents a detailed case for Hitler's escape, challenging the official narrative. Key points include contradictory eyewitness accounts of his death, the impracticality of his cremation, the later discovery of a female skull attributed to Hitler, and the suspicious acquisition of two sets of dentures for both Hitler and Eva Braun just before Berlin fell. His research uncovered a previously unknown "rat line" to Indonesia, facilitated by Hitler's close friend Walter Havl, who had established Nazi party offices there. He found records of a wanted Nazi war criminal, George Anton Poch, who lived and died in Indonesia, bore a striking resemblance to a young Hitler, had a passport with an Austrian birth year matching Hitler's, and kept a diary in Gabelsberger shorthand (Eva Braun's specialty) detailing his escape and Nazi ideology. Poch's movements and the clandestine nature of his life in Indonesia, including his "happiness" during the 1965 massacres, further fuel the theory.

Conflicting Soviet accounts, the Connecticut state archaeologist's finding that the "Hitler skull" was female, the dentist's testimony about two sets of dentures, Hanna Reitsch's flight, Walter Havl's history in Indonesia, Himmler's "friendship circle" connections to Indonesia, German U-boat presence and cemetery in Bandung, the Indonesian doctor's testimony about "Dolph," Levenda's personal observation of Poch's photo and grave (missing dates, annual foreign visitors), and the contents of Poch's diary and passport. The contact with Hela Poke's niece confirms the couple's identities and their escape.

15Consciousness as the Interface for Paranormal Manifestations

Levenda argues that consciousness is the interface for understanding phenomena previously dismissed as delusion or religious experience. Modern technology (cameras, radar) now records events like UFOs changing direction or materializing/dematerializing (e.g., Tic Tacs), forcing a re-evaluation. These are not just technological events but consciousness problems, challenging our perception of reality.

UFOs appearing and disappearing, splitting into multiple craft, turning off missile bases, and imitating attacks; the historical dismissal of religious experiences as delusion versus current technological recording of such events.

16The True Reason for Government Non-Disclosure on UFOs

The primary reason for government non-disclosure is not the possession of alien bodies or flying saucers, but rather the inability of governments to understand, defend against, or control these phenomena. Disclosing this lack of sovereignty and capability would undermine their legitimacy and expose them as unable to protect their citizens from an existential threat.

UFOs turning off missile bases, imitating missile attacks; the inability to 'bomb their cities' because their location, nature, or even existence of cities is unknown.

17Human Civilization as a 'Cargo Cult' Response to Ancient Contact

Levenda proposes that human society, from its earliest developments like building cities, charting stars, and pursuing medicine and immortality, is a 'cargo cult.' This means our entire civilization is a long-term, ritualistic response to an ancient, non-technological 'wake up' event where an external intelligence provided foundational knowledge or impetus, much like islanders built airstrips to attract 'cargo' after seeing planes.

The sudden global shift from hunter-gatherer societies to building cities, temples, and charting stars (e.g., Sumerians tracking Venus's 8-year cycle) without clear internal motivation; the modern drive for immortality and off-planet travel.

18The Necessity of Direct Experience for Understanding Esoteric Phenomena

Levenda asserts that true understanding of esoteric or paranormal phenomena cannot be achieved solely through reading documents or intellectualizing. It requires direct, personal experience, akin to the biblical concept of 'faith without good works is dead.' He encourages engaging with the phenomena, even if not recommending dangerous practices.

The analogy of 'faith without good works is dead'; the idea that 'one impulse from a vernal wood will teach you more of man... than all the sages can'; the ineffectiveness of merely releasing remote viewing documents without people actively practicing it.

Bottom Line

The "Men in Black" phenomenon, often dismissed as government agents or hoaxes, might represent a form of non-human intelligence that interacts with researchers and individuals, potentially acknowledging their work or presence in a cryptic manner.

So What?

This recontextualizes MIB encounters from simple intimidation to a more profound, albeit unsettling, form of communication or interaction with an unknown intelligence, suggesting a deeper, more complex reality than often assumed.

Impact

Researchers should consider MIB accounts not just as surveillance but as potential data points for understanding the nature and intent of non-human intelligence, exploring patterns in their appearance and messages.

The historical narrative of Hitler's death may be a deliberate fabrication or a result of intelligence agencies prioritizing political stability over truth, potentially allowing high-value Nazis to escape to unexpected locations like Indonesia.

So What?

This implies a significant, unacknowledged "rat line" to Asia and a massive intelligence failure or cover-up, fundamentally altering our understanding of post-WWII history and the reach of Nazi networks.

Impact

Further investigation into Southeast Asian archives and local histories could uncover more evidence of Nazi presence and activities, challenging established historical accounts and potentially revealing the fates of other uncaptured war criminals.

The phenomenon of UFOs and paranormal activity is accelerating due to human technology, which makes it harder for these entities to remain hidden.

So What?

This suggests a dynamic interaction where our technological advancement forces a greater manifestation or visibility of these phenomena, potentially leading to a 'quickening' of understanding or confrontation.

Impact

Focus research on the intersection of human technology and consciousness, exploring how our recording capabilities influence the manifestation and perception of non-human intelligence.

The 'Men in Black' phenomenon, and similar direct interactions with researchers, indicates that the entities involved operate beyond technology, directly engaging with human consciousness and perception.

So What?

This implies a more profound, less material nature to these phenomena, challenging purely physical or technological explanations and suggesting a psychological or spiritual component.

Impact

Develop research methodologies that account for subjective experience and psychological impact, rather than solely relying on objective data, when studying anomalous phenomena.

Key Concepts

90% of Success is Showing Up

The guest attributes his ability to uncover hidden histories to simply 'showing up' and paying attention, rather than having pre-existing connections. This highlights the value of persistence and presence in investigative work.

Ecosystem of Ideology

Levenda describes Nazism as a 'complete ecosystem' rather than just a political party or military force. This model suggests that ideologies, especially cult-like ones, seek to permeate and control all aspects of society, history, and even spiritual beliefs to achieve their goals.

Screen Memory

Whitley Strieber's concept that traumatic or unsettling experiences (like alien encounters) might be 'screen memories' masking even darker, more mundane realities, such as human experimentation or intelligence operations.

Synchronicity (Jungian)

The occurrence of meaningful coincidences that seem to be causally unrelated but are deeply connected, often guiding individuals towards deeper understanding or revealing hidden patterns. Levenda applies this to his own research and personal experiences.

Cargo Cult

The theory that human civilization, including its scientific, medical, and societal structures (like building cities, charting stars, pursuing immortality), is a long-term, ritualistic imitation or response to an initial, profound, and non-technological 'contact' or 'wake up' event from an external, advanced intelligence, similar to how isolated islanders mimicked plane landings for 'cargo'.

Consciousness as Interface

The idea that human consciousness is not merely an observer but an active participant or a necessary medium through which non-human intelligences or paranormal phenomena interact with and manifest in our reality, making a purely technological explanation insufficient.

Lessons

  • Approach unexplained personal experiences (synchronicities, strange encounters) with an open mind, recognizing them as potential signals or patterns rather than dismissing them or rigidly defining their meaning.
  • Be aware that official historical narratives, especially those involving intelligence agencies or politically sensitive events, may be incomplete or deliberately obscured, necessitating independent, deep investigation.
  • When encountering "weird things," document details meticulously, as seemingly disconnected elements (like an obscure company name or a distant encounter) can later reveal profound connections.
  • Re-evaluate historical narratives and societal motivations through the 'cargo cult' lens, considering ancient external influences on human development.
  • Prioritize direct engagement and personal experience in understanding complex phenomena, rather than relying solely on secondary sources or official documents.
  • Cultivate supportive personal relationships as a buffer against the psychological weight of confronting challenging or 'dark' realities, recognizing their role in maintaining mental equilibrium.

Notable Moments

Peter Levenda, at age 17, dressed as a fake Orthodox priest and infiltrated Bobby Kennedy's funeral at St. Patrick's Cathedral, bypassing Secret Service.

This audacious act was his first major foray into a clandestine world, directly leading him to connections that would shape his lifelong investigative career into hidden histories and intelligence operations.

Levenda and his friend, also in priestly garb, blessed graves in St. Michael Cemetery in Queens for $5 donations, using it as a funding source for their 'church' operations.

This highlights the resourcefulness and audacity of their youth, using their fabricated religious identities for practical means, blurring the lines between genuine belief and strategic performance.

During Bobby Kennedy's funeral service, Levenda, standing in the sanctuary among dignitaries, was tapped on the shoulder by pop star Andy Williams, who asked, 'Am I on yet?'

This surreal interaction underscores the absurdity and high-stakes nature of Levenda's infiltration, placing him in an unexpected, intimate moment with a celebrity amidst a national tragedy, further cementing the 'alternate timeline' feeling of his experience.

Levenda, as a fake priest, was asked by Colonel Kersinbaum, head of Selective Service, to report on Russian agents moving through the 97th Street Russian Orthodox Church in exchange for his draft deferment.

This moment directly confirms his unwitting recruitment into intelligence-adjacent activities, revealing the government's awareness and utilization of such 'churches' for surveillance and counter-intelligence.

Levenda discovered a 'chapel' above a strip club in Jamaica, Queens, which was a front for an elaborate operation to steam seals out of rare books and eradicate ink, effectively dealing in stolen historical artifacts.

This bizarre discovery illustrates the seedy underbelly of the 'occult' world he was investigating, where even religious fronts could be covers for illicit activities like the trafficking of stolen cultural heritage.

Levenda's driver laughing uncontrollably after escaping Colonia Dignidad, highlighting the immense relief and danger they had faced.

This moment vividly captures the palpable fear and relief associated with confronting such a powerful and dangerous organization, emphasizing the real-world risks of investigative journalism.

The revelation that the hotel room where the Mory Island UFO incident was discussed was 'miked' in 1947, with the transcript later heard by a reporter who died mysteriously.

This detail underscores the deep level of surveillance and secrecy surrounding early UFO investigations, suggesting covert intelligence involvement from the very beginning and raising questions about information control.

Levenda's personal philosophy on coping with 'dark corners of the human psyche' by finding supportive people.

Offers a practical, human-centric approach to dealing with overwhelming or disturbing information, emphasizing the importance of community and shared perspective.

The host's post-interview analysis confirming the factual basis of many of Levenda's historical references, including Colonia Dignidad, Mory Island incident, Nazi Tibet expedition, and connections to the JFK assassination.

Validates Levenda's research as grounded in documented history, lending credibility to his interpretations and the 'threads' he connects, even if the ultimate meaning remains open to debate.

Quotes

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"I'm not going to go and tell you Oswald acted alone or Oswald was part of a conspiracy. I'm going to say there's another thing happening here. There's something else going on. Take a look at this. You tell me what this means."

Peter Levenda
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"Kind of like the UFO phenomenon as well, right? These things are somehow talking to each other."

Peter Levenda (referencing Jacque Valet)
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"Your bias makes you selectively choose things and ignore other things."

Peter Levenda
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"I didn't want to be responsible for what might be a series of war crimes."

Peter Levenda
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"Congress can make no law concerning the establishment of religion. That's in our constitution boys and girls. So if we say we're clergy of this legally incorporated church we are clergy of that church."

Peter Levenda
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"We want to know when the Russians are moving agents through 97th Street. And you guys are well placed. Keep an eye. You see somebody you know who's not really a priest, which we saw from time to time. He says, 'Just let us know.'"

Colonel Kersinbaum (Head of Selective Service)
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"I called selective service and I said, 'You guys want to do this? Then I'm going to talk about what I know.'"

Peter Levenda
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"How come nobody's gone here and done this? Why are they writing all these books when the mother load is sitting right here?"

Peter Levenda
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"We have to be careful of the of the Jews. There's a lot of Jews these days. They're around and we have to be very careful."

Colonia Dignidad interrogator (translated)
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"You're no longer welcome in this country. You must leave immediately. Go back to the United States and do not come back again."

Colonia Dignidad interrogator (translated)
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"The Nazi party was not a political party. The way you think of it, it was a cult. It was a complete cult."

Peter Levenda
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"You are nine individuals. You are nine people. We are nine. So whoever they were, we're were nine of them. And you are nine and we are nine. Together we're going to change the course of history, right?"

Channeled entity (via medium)
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"If you want to see catch them in the act, if you want to know if they're among us, it's all you have to do... Just sit there, close your eyes, think for a second, and I'll say and just say to yourself, to them, if you're here, say hello, give me a sign... And somebody will turn around at some point and kind of look at you, wink at you, give you the high five, something. They will acknowledge and that will be it."

Timothy Good (recounted by Levenda)
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"I think we have to interpret the men in black generally speaking not as intelligence agents working for the government but as something else that this is part of the phenomenon because I never saw a UFO at that at that point in time. I had never witnessed personally a UFO. I didn't deserve a visit from the men in black right according to the mythology. So why would why would they show up?"

Peter Levenda
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"Whitley is a um he's a sincere guy. He's not trying to sensationalize anything. And when he contacted me, it's because he was extremely okay. He was he was okay with figuring out that what he was having maybe were screen memories. That the UFO stuff, the alien stuff was a memory that was hiding something darker that he had developed this to protect himself against."

Peter Levenda
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"The problem is the eyewitnesses of that all have a different story... He shot himself. He took poison. He shot Ava. Ava took poison. Ava took poison. Then he shot her. So there's all these different stories. Did was he shot or did he take poison or did he do both? How did that happen?"

Peter Levenda
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"What would you need two sets of dentures for? Unless you're going to leave one set with the bodies and take another set with you, right?"

Peter Levenda
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"I don't know how to I don't know how to even process or sit with that because no one's looking there."

Host
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"You light that first candle in that first attempt to talk to something else. It's over for you, babe. You've opened a door."

Peter Levenda
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"Before we were angels and demons. Well, now we're craft, right? And now you see us and now you don't. And now it's one craft. Oh, no. We split into three. We split into 12. Oh, now we're back into one again. Explain that."

Peter Levenda
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"If you're wondering why there's no disclosure, that's why there's no disclosure. It's not because they have alien bodies or they have a flying saucer... they can't come out and say what they really know to be true, which is that they don't know."

Peter Levenda
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"We are the cargo cult. Our medicine, our science, everything is based on this idea of achieving immortality and going to the stars, getting off planet."

Peter Levenda
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"The DNA wants us dead. The DNA wants us to reproduce and get out of the way... But there's something inside of us that's not happy with that. We're not ready for that. We want to live forever."

Peter Levenda
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"There are people in this world who make that easier."

Peter Levenda

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