The Don Lemon Show
The Don Lemon Show
March 27, 2026

HOT TOPICS | Good Lord! Is The Iran War Driven By Christian Nationalism?

Quick Read

Don Lemon and Pastor Cody Dez expose Christian nationalism as a political ideology co-opting religious language to justify war and oppression, arguing it distorts core Christian teachings and threatens secular democracy.
Christian nationalism is framed as a political ideology, not true Christianity, used to justify actions like war with Iran.
Biblical texts like Revelation are being misinterpreted to support political agendas, including prophecies of Armageddon.
Religious leaders are criticized for aligning with political power, abandoning Christian values for partisan allegiance.

Summary

Don Lemon challenges the rising influence of Christian nationalism in U.S. politics and its potential role in escalating conflict with Iran. He highlights instances of religious rhetoric from figures like Pete Hegseth, who invoked biblical passages to justify military action and called for divine wrath against 'the ungodly.' Lemon critiques the hypocrisy of U.S. officials labeling Iranian leaders as 'religious fanatics' while similar rhetoric is used domestically. Pastor Cody Dez joins the discussion, defining Christian nationalism as a political ideology of 'white supremacy, patriarchy, misogyny, greed, and fear carrying around the logo of Jesus.' Dez reinterprets biblical texts like Revelation, arguing it's not a future prediction of Armageddon but an unveiling of empire's violence, and emphasizes that 'Antichrist' is a pattern of anti-Christ-like behaviors, not a single person. Both Lemon and Dez advocate for a clear separation of church and state and a return to Jesus's core teachings of love, peace, and justice, condemning leaders who use faith to justify atrocities and maintain power.
The podcast reveals how Christian nationalism, by blurring the lines between church and state, can be leveraged to justify aggressive foreign policy, suppress rights, and manipulate public opinion. Understanding this dynamic is critical for safeguarding democratic principles, religious freedom, and preventing the co-option of faith for political gain, especially when it leads to the justification of war and violence.

Takeaways

  • Christian nationalism is defined as a political ideology of 'white supremacy, patriarchy, misogyny, greed, and fear carrying around the logo of Jesus,' not genuine Christianity plus patriotism.
  • U.S. military officials have reportedly claimed Donald Trump was 'anointed by Jesus' to 'light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon.'
  • Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth publicly used Psalms in military briefings and at the Pentagon, calling for God to 'pour out your wrath' and 'break the teeth of the ungodly.'
  • Pastor Cody Dez argues that just because something is in the Bible (like genocide or slavery) does not make it right, emphasizing interpretation through Jesus's teachings.
  • The Book of Revelation is reinterpreted not as a future prediction of the end of the world or a coming Antichrist, but as apocalyptic literature from the 1st century revealing the violence and lies of the Roman Empire.
  • The term 'Antichrist' is presented as a 'pattern' of behaviors (greed, corruption, violence, injustice) rather than a specific person, applicable to systems, institutions, and individuals.
  • Franklin Graham is criticized for hypocrisy, defending Trump's infidelity while condemning Bill Clinton's, demonstrating allegiance to the Republican party over the 'way of Jesus.'
  • The host and guest assert that the 'war on Christmas' narrative is a distraction from real issues like poverty and a tactic to maintain political power.
  • Leaders who never learned to govern themselves project their internal chaos onto the nation, leading to policies of violence and injustice.

Insights

1Religious Rhetoric Justifying War and Political Leadership

Don Lemon highlights reports of U.S. military commanders stating that Donald Trump was 'anointed by Jesus' to initiate a war with Iran, framing it as part of 'God's divine plan' to cause Armageddon and mark Jesus's return. This demonstrates how religious narratives are allegedly being used to legitimize political and military actions.

U.S. military officials saying 'the orange man is indeed anointed by Jesus to quote, "Light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth." This is according to a complaint that was sent to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.'

2Blurring of Church and State in Military Contexts

The podcast reveals instances where religious scripture, specifically Psalms, was read during military briefings and at a Christian prayer service at the Pentagon by Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. These readings invoked themes of destroying enemies and divine wrath, prompting concerns about the erosion of the separation of church and state within secular government institutions and the military.

A reading from Psalms -42 was used as a pre-mission reading and prayer for an audacious raid. Pete Hegseth, at a Christian prayer and worship service at the Pentagon, called on attendees to pray for God to 'pour out your wrath' and 'break the teeth of the ungodly.'

3Christian Nationalism as a Political Tool

Pastor Cody Dez defines Christian nationalism as a political ideology, not genuine Christianity, characterized by 'white supremacy, patriarchy, misogyny, greed, and fear carrying around the logo of Jesus.' This ideology co-opts religious language to cover or justify atrocities and maintain a hierarchical power structure, particularly when those in power feel threatened by rising equality.

Pastor Cody Dez states, 'Christian nationalism is not Christianity plus patriotism. It is a political ideology wrapped in religious language... It is a political ideology of white supremacy, patriarchy, misogyny, greed, and fear carrying around the logo of Jesus.'

4Reinterpreting Apocalyptic Scripture

Pastor Cody Dez argues that the Book of Revelation is not a future prediction of the end of the world or a coming Antichrist. Instead, it is apocalyptic literature from the 1st century, written by John to real people oppressed by the Roman Empire, using symbols to reveal the violence and lies of empire and calling followers to 'come out of the empire.'

Pastor Cody Dez explains, 'Revelation is not a future prediction about the end of the world... This is apocalyptic literature... This book is written by real people, a real man named John who was exiled by the empire of Rome... He's not writing about 2026 in Iran. He's not writing about America.'

5The 'Antichrist' as a Pattern, Not a Person

Pastor Cody Dez clarifies that 'Antichrist' is not a single person but a 'pattern' of behaviors and systems that are contrary to the teachings of Christ (love, forgiveness, truth, humility, peace, justice). This pattern can manifest through individuals, institutions, emperors, or presidents, representing greed, corruption, immorality, violence, and injustice.

Pastor Cody Dez states, 'Antichrist is not a person. It's not. It is a pattern. And that pattern can be seen through systems, institutions, individuals, emperors, empires, presidents.' He contrasts it with Christ's way of 'love, forgiveness, truth, humility, integrity, peace, justice, selflessness, compassion.'

Bottom Line

The healthiest response to an egregious, atrocious presentation of God by religious and political leaders might be atheism, as it allows individuals to distance themselves from harmful interpretations of faith.

So What?

This challenges the conventional view that faith is inherently good or necessary, suggesting that rejecting a corrupted version of God can be a path to psychological and moral well-being. It implies that the actions of religious nationalists are so distorted they push people away from faith itself.

Impact

For religious leaders and communities, this presents an opportunity to critically examine how their faith is presented and practiced, ensuring it aligns with genuine values of love, justice, and peace, rather than becoming a tool for oppression or political manipulation. For secular society, it reinforces the importance of distinguishing between genuine faith and its political weaponization.

Key Concepts

Christian Nationalism as Political Ideology

This model posits that Christian nationalism is not a religious movement but a political one that co-opts Christian symbols and language to advance an agenda of white supremacy, patriarchy, misogyny, greed, and fear. It prioritizes national identity and political power over core Christian tenets like peace, love, and justice.

Apocalyptic Literature Reinterpretation

This model redefines apocalyptic biblical texts, specifically the Book of Revelation, not as literal future predictions of the end of the world or a single Antichrist, but as symbolic literature written to expose the oppressive empires of their time. It encourages understanding these texts as critiques of power and calls to resist empire, rather than blueprints for future events or justifications for war.

Lessons

  • Critically evaluate religious rhetoric from political figures, especially when it is used to justify war, violence, or the suppression of rights, by comparing it against core tenets of the faith it claims to represent.
  • Advocate for and defend the strict separation of church and state in all government institutions, including the military, to protect religious freedom and prevent the imposition of one religion's doctrine on a diverse populace.
  • Re-examine historical and theological interpretations of religious texts, such as the Book of Revelation, to understand their original context and avoid their manipulation for modern political or apocalyptic agendas.

Notable Moments

Don Lemon sarcastically presents the idea that Donald Trump was 'chosen by Jesus' and his war with Iran is 'God's divine plan,' highlighting the absurdity of such claims by listing Trump's controversial actions.

This moment uses satire to underscore the host's disbelief and critique of Christian nationalist justifications for political leadership and military conflict, making the audience question the moral authority of such claims.

The playing of clips featuring Pete Hegseth reading Psalms in a military context and calling for God's wrath, followed by Marco Rubio labeling Iranian leaders as 'religious fanatics.'

These clips serve as direct evidence of the religious rhetoric being integrated into U.S. foreign policy discussions and military operations, illustrating the host's 'pot meet kettle' argument about hypocrisy in labeling 'religious fanatics.'

Pastor Cody Dez's detailed theological reinterpretation of the Book of Revelation and the concept of 'Antichrist,' reframing them as critiques of oppressive empires and patterns of behavior rather than literal future events or a single individual.

This provides a counter-narrative to the literalist and futurist interpretations often used by Christian nationalists, offering a more nuanced and historically grounded understanding of scripture that aligns with values of peace and justice.

Franklin Graham's speech at CPAC, where he praises Donald Trump for saying 'Merry Christmas' and defends him despite past controversies, contrasting it with his earlier criticism of Bill Clinton.

This clip is used to expose the perceived hypocrisy and political allegiance of a prominent evangelical leader, suggesting that his loyalty is to a political party rather than consistent Christian principles.

Quotes

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"I believe that Donald Trump was chosen by Jesus Christ. I believe his war with Iran is all a part of God's divine plan as US military commanders have reportedly been saying to the troops."

Don Lemon (sarcastic)
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"For you equipped me with strength for the battle. You made those who rise against me sink under me. You made my enemies turn their backs to me. And those who hated me I destroyed. They cried for help, but there was none to save. They cried to the Lord, but he did not answer them. I beat them fine as dust before the wind. I cast them out like the mire of the streets."

Pete Hegseth (reading from Psalm 18)
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"If a leader cannot be faithful to his own wife and family, how could we expect him to be faithful to the country?"

Franklin Graham (recounted by Pastor Cody Dez, referring to Clinton)
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"Christian nationalism is not Christianity plus patriotism. It is a political ideology wrapped in religious language. I could say it this way. It is a political ideology of white supremacy, patriarchy, misogyny, greed, and fear carrying around the logo of Jesus."

Pastor Cody Dez
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"Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's right. All right? And there are parts of the Bible, I know this may be hard for some Christians to hear, that are bad, wrong, and immoral."

Pastor Cody Dez
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"Revelation is not a future prediction about the end of the world. I want to repeat that for America to hear. Revelation is not a future prediction about the end of the world."

Pastor Cody Dez
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"Antichrist is not a person. It's not. It is a pattern. And that pattern can be seen through systems, institutions, individuals, emperors, empires, presidents."

Pastor Cody Dez
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"Keep God's name out of your mouth. Keep Jesus' name out of your mouth, especially when what you are doing is Antichrist."

Pastor Cody Dez
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"My hope is that the truth ultimately will make itself known... Truth doesn't just confront, it liberates. Truth breaks spells. Truth wakes us up. And sooner or later, the truth will set us all free."

Pastor Cody Dez

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