They Want an Excuse for Martial Law (w/ Michael Waldman) | How to Fix It
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Summary
Takeaways
- ❖The Trump administration considered invoking the Insurrection Act, but likely held back due to potential court challenges questioning the existence of a genuine 'insurrection.'
- ❖The Justice Department attempted to leverage federal law enforcement presence in Minnesota to extract sensitive voter data, an unprecedented and sinister move.
- ❖The Brennan Center advocates for constitutional amendments to address campaign finance and presidential pardon abuses, alongside legislation to ban contractor donations and congressional stock trading.
- ❖Citizen documentation of abuses (via phones) and active participation in elections are critical for holding power accountable.
Insights
1Threat of Insurrection Act and Judicial Backstop
The Trump administration, particularly Steven Miller, threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act to deploy military domestically. While this law, dating back to the 1700s, allows military use for domestic policing in emergencies, recent decades saw its application with local government consent. The administration likely refrained from using it due to concerns that federal courts, which have shown increased willingness to challenge executive power, would block it by finding no actual 'insurrection' or chaos justifying its use, thereby weakening presidential authority.
Discussion of Trump and Miller threatening the Insurrection Act, its historical use (e.g., 1992 LA riots), and the federal appeals court ruling in Chicago regarding the National Guard.
2DOJ's Demand for Voter Data in Minnesota
Attorney General Pam Bondi's letter to Minnesota Governor Waltz implicitly offered to stand down federal forces (ICE/CBP) in exchange for the state's sensitive voter data files. This demand, described by Minnesota's Secretary of State as a 'ransom demand,' was unprecedented and unconnected to the stated reasons for federal intervention. It is part of a broader, 'all-of-government' effort by the administration to collect voter data from states, potentially to undermine election confidence, make false claims of illegal voting, or pressure states to purge eligible voters.
Pam Bondi's letter to Governor Waltz, Steve Simon's (Minnesota Secretary of State) characterization of it as a 'ransom demand,' and the broader pattern of federal demands for voter lists from 44 states.
3Difficulty of Defamation Suits Against Government Officials
While calling someone a 'domestic terrorist' or 'assassin' (as Steven Miller did to Alex Py) appears to be intentional defamation, suing government officials for such statements is legally challenging. Existing laws like Section 1983 allow civil rights suits, but defamation cases are difficult due to the need for robust political speech and the 'New York Times v. Sullivan' standard, which provides broad protection for even wrong statements in political discourse. This makes civil or criminal accountability for such officials complex.
Discussion of Steven Miller's statements about Alex Py, the legal avenues (Section 1983), and the precedent of New York Times v. Sullivan.
4Brennan Center's Anti-Corruption Solutions: Campaign Finance and Pardons
The Brennan Center proposes nine anti-corruption measures, including two key constitutional amendments. First, an amendment to restore campaign finance limits, reversing Supreme Court decisions like Citizens United and Buckley v. Valeo, which deregulated money in politics. Second, an amendment to curb the president's pardon power, which was directly cut-and-pasted from King George III's powers and has become an 'engine of corruption.' Proposed structural changes include requiring Senate override for pardons or establishing an independent board of pardons (e.g., retired judges) to make recommendations, preventing presidents from pardoning family members or campaign contributors.
Discussion of the Brennan Center's report, Citizens United, Buckley v. Valeo, the historical origin of pardon power, and examples of corrupt pardons.
5Brennan Center's Anti-Corruption Solutions: Contractors, Emoluments, and Congressional Stock Trading
Additional solutions include banning big donations from government contractors, as the existing law is full of loopholes allowing executives and subsidiaries to contribute. This would apply common state-level ethics to federal contractors. The report also advocates for codifying the Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits officials from receiving gifts or payments from foreign states or domestic sources beyond their salary. This would involve creating statutes with clear definitions, enforcement mechanisms, and penalties, as the Supreme Court previously punted on enforcing it. Finally, a meaningful ban on stock trading by members of Congress is proposed, given their suspiciously high investment returns and access to non-public information, coupled with a raise in congressional pay to reduce financial pressure.
Discussion of the $755 billion in federal contracts, Elon Musk as a contractor, the Emoluments Clause's constitutional basis, the Supreme Court's prior inaction, and the 'suspiciously high' returns of congressional investments.
Bottom Line
King George III demonstrated more commitment to the rule of law by allowing an investigation and criminal trial for the Boston Massacre perpetrators than the Trump administration showed regarding federal killings in Minneapolis.
This historical comparison highlights a severe degradation of accountability within contemporary American executive power, suggesting a deeper crisis of governance than even during colonial times.
Leverage historical precedents of accountability to pressure for independent investigations and legal consequences for government officials involved in abuses of power.
The widespread availability of smartphone cameras has transformed citizen documentation into a powerful tool for exposing government brutality and abuse of power, akin to the impact of television broadcasts during the Civil Rights Movement.
This 'everyone's a cameraman' phenomenon creates a new form of public accountability, making it harder for authorities like ICE agents to operate without scrutiny, and fostering public outrage and movements of conscience.
Support and amplify citizen journalism efforts, ensuring platforms and legal protections exist for those documenting abuses to further enhance transparency and accountability.
Key Concepts
The Four C's of Trump Administration
Host John Avalon identifies 'Cruelty, Chaos, Corruption, and Costs' as the defining characteristics and key issues for Democrats to address regarding the Trump administration.
Structural Amendments
Michael Waldman suggests that constitutional amendments are most effective when they create structural rearrangements, checks, and balances, rather than narrowly defining specific prohibitions, to prevent evasion of new rules.
Lessons
- Democrats and Republicans in Congress must actively use their co-equal branch powers, including budget pressure (e.g., on ICE/CBP funding), to stand up against executive abuses and restore the rule of law.
- Citizens should actively document instances of government overreach and brutality using their phones, as this 'everyone's a cameraman' approach is a powerful tool for exposure and accountability.
- Support organizations like the Brennan Center for Justice that are developing and advocating for specific, structural anti-corruption measures, including constitutional amendments and legislative reforms.
Notable Moments
The host and guest compare the Trump administration's lack of accountability for federal killings in Minneapolis to King George III's willingness to allow a criminal trial for the Boston Massacre perpetrators, noting that the 'mad king' was more committed to the rule of law.
This stark historical parallel underscores the perceived severity of the current administration's disregard for legal accountability and the erosion of fundamental principles.
The discussion highlights the transformative impact of smartphones, where 'everybody's a cameraman or a woman,' on documenting government abuses, drawing a parallel to how television broadcasts exposed brutality during the Civil Rights Movement.
This points to a new, powerful mechanism for citizen oversight and accountability in an era where traditional media challenges exist, empowering individuals to expose misconduct and kindle public conscience.
Quotes
"Calling someone domestic terrorist and assassin is not the slip of the tongue. It's not an incautious mischaracterization. It seems to be a textbook example of intentional defamation from the bully pulpit of the government to justify a murder."
"King George in the run-up to the revolution was more willing to have the rule of law apply than Donald Trump has been in Minnesota. And it really said something troubling."
"For most of our country's history, we had the ability to regulate money in politics... and it was the Supreme Court of the United States in Citizens United and in earlier cases... that wrecked the campaign finance laws of this country that ushered in this dystopian and entirely deregulated money system."
"You could literally pay Donald Trump for a pardon and he wouldn't get criminally prosecuted, but he would have the untrammeled power to issue that pardon."
"HL Minkin once said, uh, conscience is the idea that someone somewhere might be watching. And I think that public officials right now have to know that Donald Trump will not be president forever."
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