“So Used To LYING!” AIPAC vs Thomas Massie + San Diego Mosque Attack With Mehdi Hasan

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A heated debate unpacks the forces behind Thomas Massie's primary defeat, weighing Trump's influence against unprecedented pro-Israel lobbying, and later shifts to the alarming rise of Islamophobia and hate crimes in the US and UK.
Record-breaking pro-Israel lobbying (up to $25M) targeted Thomas Massie, a critic of US aid to Israel.
Panelists clash over whether Trump's endorsement or foreign money was the decisive factor in Massie's primary loss.
Mehdi Hasan highlights mainstreamed Islamophobia, contrasting political responses to mosque attacks versus synagogue attacks.

Summary

This episode features a two-part debate. The first segment focuses on the recent primary defeat of Congressman Thomas Massie, with panelists debating whether his loss was primarily due to Donald Trump's opposition or the record-breaking financial intervention by pro-Israel lobbying groups like AIPAC and Israeli-centric billionaires. Glenn Greenwald and Buckley Carlson argue the latter, citing over $15-25 million spent against Massie, while Will Chambers and Clay Travis emphasize Trump's enduring popularity in Massie's district and Massie's perceived disloyalty to Trump's agenda. The discussion also touches on the ongoing Iran war and its economic impact. The second segment features Mehdi Hasan discussing the San Diego mosque attack, highlighting the perceived disparity in media and political attention compared to anti-Semitic incidents. Hasan argues that Islamophobia is mainstreamed in the US and UK, often fueled by right-wing rhetoric, and points out the shared ideological roots of anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in white nationalist extremism. He criticizes the selective condemnation of hate crimes and the weaponization of issues like 'Sharia courts' and immigration for political gain.
This episode dissects critical issues at the intersection of US domestic politics, foreign policy, and social cohesion. The debate over Thomas Massie's defeat reveals the complex interplay of presidential endorsements and powerful foreign policy lobbies in shaping electoral outcomes, raising questions about democratic integrity and donor influence. The discussion on Islamophobia and hate crimes exposes deep societal divisions and the uneven response to religious bigotry, underscoring the challenge of addressing extremism and fostering inclusive public discourse in an increasingly polarized world. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for comprehending contemporary political power structures and the social climate in Western nations.

Takeaways

  • Thomas Massie's primary defeat saw record-breaking spending (up to $25 million) by pro-Israel billionaires and AIPAC, targeting his critical stance on US aid to Israel.
  • The debate centers on whether Massie's loss was due to Donald Trump's direct opposition and endorsement of his opponent, or the massive financial intervention by foreign-policy-focused donors.
  • Mehdi Hasan argues that Islamophobia is mainstreamed in the US and UK, with Republican politicians often silent on mosque attacks, unlike the widespread condemnation of anti-Semitism.
  • Hasan highlights that white nationalist extremism often combines anti-Semitism and Islamophobia, as seen in the San Diego mosque attackers' manifesto.
  • The discussion on the Iran war reveals differing views on Trump's ability to control the conflict and its economic repercussions, particularly regarding oil prices and the Strait of Hormuz.

Insights

1Record-Breaking Pro-Israel Lobbying in Massie's Primary

Pro-Israel billionaires, led by Miriam Adelson, and AIPAC poured an unprecedented $15-25 million into Thomas Massie's primary district. This made it the most expensive primary in US history, with the funds specifically aimed at unseating Massie due to his increasingly critical stance on US aid to Israel, despite his otherwise conservative voting record aligned with Trump.

Glenn Greenwald states, 'three pro-Israeli billionaires, led by Miriam Adelson... poured insane amounts of money, record-breaking amounts of money into this tiny little district where all you need is 50,000 votes to win. And if you don't think that 20, 25 million dollars is enough to sway 5,000 voters... you're just not living in in political reality.' He adds that AIPAC broke its own record this year, spending $15 million in other primary races as well. Piers Morgan later notes AIPAC and other groups put in 'over $9 million in a deliberate bid to unseat Massie.'

2Trump's Influence vs. Donor Money in Massie's Defeat

Panelists fiercely debated the primary cause of Thomas Massie's loss. One perspective, championed by Will Chambers and Clay Travis, asserts that Donald Trump's endorsement of Massie's opponent and his public denouncement of Massie as 'disloyal' were the decisive factors, given Trump's overwhelming popularity in the Kentucky district. The opposing view, supported by Glenn Greenwald and Buckley Carlson, maintains that while Trump played a role, the massive influx of pro-Israel donor money was at least an equally significant, if not greater, factor in swaying voters.

Clay Travis states, 'Donald Trump is more popular in the Kentucky 4th Congressional District than Thomas Massie is. And whomever Trump decided he was going to endorse, I believe would have won.' Will Chambers adds that pro-Israel donors were 'particularly happy to spend that money' because 'President Trump had made Thomas Massie his target number one.' Conversely, Glenn Greenwald argues, 'if you deny that that was at least as big of a factor, then you're just insulting the intelligence of anybody listening.' Buckley Carlson adds, 'I think Glenn made the case pretty convincingly with the data that he just presented here.'

3Mainstreaming of Islamophobia and Disparate Responses to Hate Crimes

Mehdi Hasan argues that Islamophobia is 'mainstreamed' in American and British society, leading to a noticeable disparity in how attacks on mosques are addressed by politicians and media compared to attacks on synagogues. He cites examples of Republican politicians making anti-Muslim statements and the lack of specific congressional hearings on Islamophobia, contrasting this with numerous hearings and task forces dedicated to anti-Semitism.

Mehdi Hasan states, 'clearly Muslims are treated as second-class citizens in this country, not just by Republican right-wing politicians... but by the media, by liberal media, by the Democratic Party, by ordinary Americans.' He adds, 'Islamophobia has been mainstreamed in America and the UK in a way that, thankfully, anti-Semitism still hasn't.' He points out that 'Republicans in Congress have held like I think a dozen hearings on anti-Semitism. Do you know how many they've held on Islamophobia? None.'

4Interconnectedness of Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in Extremism

Hasan highlights that white nationalist and Nazi ideologies often encompass both anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. He references the San Diego mosque attackers' manifesto, which allegedly contained hateful content against both Jews and Muslims, reinforcing the idea that minority communities are often targeted by the same extremist groups.

Mehdi Hasan notes, 'If you look at the alleged manifestos from these two kids... they're anti-Semitic and Islamophobic. The manifesto has horrific stuff in there about Jews and about Islam as well.' He further states, 'people who tend to be anti-Semitic also tend to be Islamophobic and vice versa. They're two sides of the same coin.'

5The Iran War and its Economic Impact

The panel discusses the ongoing Iran war, its impact on global energy prices (specifically gas prices in the US), and the strategic control of the Strait of Hormuz. Piers Morgan and Glenn Greenwald express skepticism about Trump's ability to exit the war gracefully or achieve its stated goals, arguing that Iran maintains significant leverage through asymmetric warfare and control over the Strait, which affects the global economy. Clay Travis, however, remains optimistic, predicting a substantial drop in gas prices before the election due to Trump's intervention.

Piers Morgan links the Iran war to the cost of living, stating, 'The Iran war has become... an increasing fiasco, mainly because of the situation with the Strait of Hormuz... They remain in control of the Strait of Hormuz. They remain with a tight grip now on the global energy economy.' Clay Travis makes a prediction: 'If the gas price is right now, $4.50 per gallon on average all 50 states... If they are not 75 cents lower by the time of election day... I will come on the day after the midterm elections with a bright red nose for you.'

Quotes

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"If you don't think that 20, 25 million dollars is enough to sway 5,000 voters, you're just not living in in political reality."

Glenn Greenwald
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"We are so used to lying and obfuscation and weasel words, as we often see from Will Chambers here."

Buckley Carlson
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"I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede and it took a while to find Ed Gallrein in Tel Aviv."

Thomas Massie (clip)
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"Islamophobia has been mainstreamed in America and the UK in a way that, thankfully, anti-Semitism still hasn't, although there has been an alarming rise in anti-Semitism across the political spectrum."

Mehdi Hasan
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"When a mosque is attacked in the US, Republican politicians are either silent... You can't find Democrats who do the same when there's a synagogue attack or anything equivalent."

Mehdi Hasan

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