Trump's China Humiliation; Growing Progressive Power w/ Ryan Grim | MR Live
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Takeaways
- ❖Former President Trump recontextualized China's mention of the 'Thucydides Trap' to blame 'sleepy Joe Biden' for a perceived US decline, while claiming his own administration brought a 'spectacular rise'.
- ❖Democratic Party establishment figures, including Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, are experiencing historically low approval ratings even among party loyalists and donors.
- ❖The DNC has withheld its autopsy report on recent electoral performance, with some suggesting it was too poorly executed to be released, while others suspect a 'limited hangout' to protect certain figures.
- ❖Kamala Harris's campaign struggled with a lack of clear 'brand identity,' partly due to donor influence that prevented her from promoting popular Biden policies like antitrust and labor reforms.
- ❖The Biden administration's unwavering stance on Gaza significantly reduced enthusiasm among Democratic voters and activists, making it an 'impossible issue to communicate around' for the campaign.
- ❖The Supreme Court's interpretation has made partisan gerrymandering legal while effectively making it illegal to draw districts in line with the Voting Rights Act, threatening Black representation.
- ❖The assault on the Voting Rights Act is expected to lead to the loss of approximately 20 Black congressional seats, pushing the US into a 'new Jim Crow' era.
- ❖A debate emerged on the utility of engaging with figures like Marjorie Taylor Greene, with Ryan Grim arguing her stance against genocide and the 'Epstein class' earns credibility, while Sam Seder questioned her sincerity and material power after leaving Congress.
Insights
1Trump's Reinterpretation of the Thucydides Trap
Chinese President Xi Jinping referenced the 'Thucydides Trap' during a meeting, implying the US is a 'declining nation' while China is ascending. Former President Trump, after presumably having the concept explained to him, publicly recontextualized Xi's statement. Trump claimed Xi was referring to the 'tremendous damage' suffered during the 'four years of sleepy Joe Biden's administration,' while asserting his own administration had displayed an 'incredible rise' for the United States.
Xi Jinping's statement about the Thucydides Trap and Trump's subsequent public response.
2Democratic Establishment's Declining Influence and Disconnect
The Democratic Party's establishment wing is experiencing unprecedented weakness and 'flailing.' Figures like Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer are receiving 'iciest reception' even from party donors. This signals a significant erosion of respect for party institutions and individual leaders among Democratic primary voters, who are increasingly sophisticated and critical of perceived failures.
Ryan Grim's anecdote about Chuck Schumer's reception among party brass and the general observation of declining institutional respect.
3DNC's Autopsy Failure and Campaign Strategy Flaws
The DNC has not released an autopsy report on its recent electoral performance, with speculation ranging from it being too poorly done to be public to a deliberate 'limited hangout.' Rob Flaherty's analysis highlighted Kamala Harris's lack of a clear 'brand identity,' which was attributed to donor influence preventing the promotion of popular Biden policies like antitrust and labor reforms. The administration's unwavering Gaza policy also 'meaningfully reduced enthusiasm' among key voters and activists, creating an 'impossible issue to communicate around' and demoralizing grassroots organizers.
Discussion of the DNC autopsy, Rob Flaherty's piece, and the impact of the Gaza policy on voter enthusiasm.
4Supreme Court's Assault on Voting Rights
The current Supreme Court has made it legal to gerrymander for partisan purposes while simultaneously making it illegal to draw districts in line with the Voting Rights Act. This 'revanchist era' is expected to result in the loss of approximately 20 Black congressional seats nationwide, effectively ushering in a 'new Jim Crow' scenario. The host and guest note the irony and danger of judges assessing the motivations of lawmakers rather than upholding the clear will of Congress.
Discussion of the Supreme Court's gerrymandering decisions and their impact on the Voting Rights Act, including Scalia's past comments.
5Debate on Engaging with Marjorie Taylor Greene
A debate arose regarding Ryan Grim's tweet praising Marjorie Taylor Greene for 'sacrificing her political career to stand against genocide' and the 'Epstein class.' Sam Seder countered that Greene's actions were motivated by political spurning (Trump's rejection for statewide office, exclusion from House leadership) rather than genuine sacrifice, and that her material power was diminished by leaving Congress. The broader discussion questioned the strategic value of progressives engaging with such figures, weighing the potential to reach new audiences against the risk of legitimizing harmful ideologies and whitewashing a problematic record.
Ryan Grim's tweet about MTG, Sam Seder's counter-arguments about her motivations and political power, and the ethical considerations of transpartisan engagement.
Bottom Line
The Supreme Court's rulings on gerrymandering and the Voting Rights Act, while detrimental to traditional Democratic power, may inadvertently force the creation of new, more ideologically aligned working-class coalitions in some states, potentially leading to a more progressive Congressional Black Caucus.
This could reshape the internal dynamics of the Democratic Party, potentially empowering younger, more progressive CBC members and fostering new alliances that prioritize ideology over traditional identity politics in certain districts.
Progressive organizers could leverage these forced redistricting changes to build stronger, ideologically coherent coalitions, even if it means initially losing some traditional Democratic seats, to achieve long-term progressive gains.
The Democratic Party's failure to promote the most popular aspects of Biden's agenda (antitrust, labor) and its rigid stance on issues like Gaza stemmed from donor influence and a fear of alienating establishment interests, rather than a lack of popular appeal for those policies.
This indicates a deep structural problem where donor priorities can override popular progressive policies, leading to a disconnect with the base and contributing to electoral struggles.
Progressive movements should continue to expose and challenge the influence of corporate donors on Democratic policy and campaign messaging, pushing for greater transparency and accountability to the party's voters rather than its funders.
Key Concepts
Thucydides Trap
A theory describing the historical tendency towards war when a rising power challenges an established power. Chinese President Xi Jinping invoked this concept in a meeting, suggesting China's ascent and the US's 'sundowning,' prompting discussion on avoiding conflict and fostering cooperation.
Limited Hangout
A public relations or propaganda technique where damaging information is partially disclosed to prevent the release of more damaging information. Sam Seder suggests the DNC's withholding of its autopsy report might be a 'limited hangout' to control the narrative and protect certain individuals.
Lessons
- Advocate for court reform to address the Supreme Court's increasingly partisan and anti-democratic rulings, especially concerning voting rights and gerrymandering.
- Support progressive candidates who are willing to challenge Democratic establishment leadership and articulate clear, populist policy platforms, rather than relying on generic 'brand identity' or donor-approved messaging.
- Engage in critical discussions about the strategic value of transpartisan alliances, carefully weighing the potential benefits of reaching new audiences against the risks of legitimizing figures with harmful ideologies.
Quotes
"Can China and the United States overcome the fusidities trap and create a new paradigm of major country relations? Can we meet global challenges together and provide more stability for the world?"
"When President Xi very elegantly referred to the United States as perhaps being a declining nation, he was referring to the tremendous damage we suffered during the four years of sleepy Joe Biden and the Biden administration. And on that score, he was 100% correct."
"The thing that was holding back the kind of Bernie and the squad was that Democratic primary voters still had a lot of respect for the institutions of the Democratic party and and and even for their individual leaders. That's gone."
"The problem I think that is that it's becoming clear is that the the argument always used to be Democrats have to win this. So don't get too ambitious on an ideological level... And I think what's being revealed is that like this cadre of people don't know how to win, right? And don't necessarily care about winning outside of themselves."
"MTG sacrificed her political career to stand against genocide, against Trump, against the Epstein class, and to defend the survivors of Epstein's trafficking. If that doesn't earn credibility, I don't know what possibly could."
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