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February 16, 2026

Trump's Polls Are Awful—and the Real Pain Hasn’t Started Yet (w/ Bill Kristol) | Bulwark Podcast

Quick Read

The hosts dissect Marco Rubio's shift to 'blood and soil' nationalism and his endorsement of Viktor Orban, contrasting it with Democratic responses to a changing global order and examining domestic issues like Trump's struggling approval and government agency misconduct.
Marco Rubio is promoting a 'blood and soil' nationalist ideology, redefining American identity away from abstract principles to a narrow cultural heritage.
Rubio's public endorsement of Hungarian autocrat Viktor Orban undermines traditional US alliances and democratic values abroad.
Trump's approval ratings remain low, suggesting public dissatisfaction extends beyond economic performance or foreign policy outcomes.

Summary

Tim Miller and Bill Kristol analyze the current political landscape, beginning with Donald Trump's surprisingly low approval ratings despite seemingly stable economic and foreign policy conditions. They pivot to a sharp critique of Senator Marco Rubio's recent speeches in Europe, framing his rhetoric on national identity and war as a dangerous 'blood and soil' nationalism that redefines American values. Rubio's visit to Budapest and public endorsement of Viktor Orban, an authoritarian leader, is highlighted as a betrayal of traditional American alliances and liberal democratic principles. The hosts then examine Democratic responses, praising Mark Kelly's critique of Trump's foreign policy and noting AOC's nuanced approach to 'working-class centered politics' combined with a defense of the rules-based international order. The discussion also covers domestic issues, including the Pentagon's controversial stance on AI safeguards, the military's policy against 'woke' law schools, and a striking case of alleged misconduct and dishonesty by ICE officers in Minneapolis.
This episode provides a critical analysis of evolving political ideologies within the Republican party, particularly the rise of nationalist rhetoric and its implications for American foreign policy and democratic alliances. It underscores the challenges to established international norms and the internal struggles within both major parties to define America's role in the world. The discussion on government agency accountability and the military's stance on education also highlights ongoing domestic tensions and their potential long-term impacts on national institutions and values.

Takeaways

  • Donald Trump's approval ratings are notably low (41%) despite a stable economy and no major foreign wars, indicating deeper public dissatisfaction.
  • Marco Rubio's recent speeches advocate a 'blood and soil' nationalism, arguing that armies fight for 'a people' and 'a way of life' rather than abstract principles like liberty.
  • Rubio's cultural heritage speech, citing European artists and musicians, is critiqued as an 'Anglo-Saxon supremacist' view that ignores America's diverse cultural contributions and his own Cuban heritage.
  • Rubio's visit to Budapest to endorse Viktor Orban, an authoritarian leader, directly undermines Hungarian dissidents and traditional US allies.
  • Mark Kelly criticizes Trump for destroying the 'old world order,' leading to decreased trust from allies and increased Chinese influence.
  • AOC advocates for a 'working-class centered politics' combined with a defense of the 'rules-based order,' a position that bridges traditional left-wing economic concerns with internationalist foreign policy.
  • The Pentagon is considering designating AI company Anthropic a 'supply chain risk' because its CEO prioritizes safeguards against mass surveillance and autonomous weapons.
  • The military's new policy restricts personnel from attending 'woke' top law schools, which hosts view as insulting to service members' intelligence and damaging to military education.
  • ICE officers in Minneapolis were accused of fabricating a story about being assaulted by Venezuelan migrants to justify a shooting, highlighting a pattern of dishonesty within DHS agencies.

Insights

1Trump's Persistent Low Approval Despite Favorable Conditions

Despite a relatively stable economy and the absence of disastrous foreign wars, Donald Trump's approval ratings have remained low (around 41%), down from 50%. This suggests that public dissatisfaction with Trump stems from deeper issues beyond economic or immediate foreign policy outcomes, possibly related to 'human liberty, rights, dignity, and democracy,' as Bill Kristol posits.

Politico Playbook's spin on Trump's performance, noting tariffs 'largely haven't created unbearable levels of pain' and foreign policy 'haven't backfired,' yet approval is down from 50% to 41%.

2Marco Rubio's Shift to 'Blood and Soil' Nationalism

Senator Marco Rubio has adopted a nationalist rhetoric, asserting that armies fight for 'a people,' 'a nation,' and 'a way of life,' rather than 'abstractions' like liberty or equality. This redefines American identity away from its founding principles, diminishing historical events like the Civil War and World War II, which were fought for abstract ideals.

Rubio's speech: 'Armies do not fight for abstractions. Armies fight for a people. Armies fight for a nation. Armies fight for a way of life.' Bill Kristol counters with Lincoln's explanation of the Civil War being fought for the abstraction that 'all men are created equal.'

3Rubio's Promotion of an 'Anglo-Saxon Supremacist' Cultural Heritage

Rubio's speech in Munich emphasized a 'common heritage' tied to European cultural figures like Mozart, Beethoven, Dante, Shakespeare, and the Beatles. The hosts criticize this as an 'Anglo-Saxon supremacist' view that ignores America's diverse cultural tapestry and Rubio's own Cuban heritage, attempting to create a narrow, exclusionary definition of American identity.

Rubio's speech: 'It was this continent that produced the genius of Mozart and Beethoven... of Dante and Shakespeare... of the Beatles and the Rolling Stones.' Tim Miller points out Rubio's Cuban background and the cultural diversity of Miami, arguing this view is 'white national agitprop.'

4Rubio's Undermining of Democratic Alliances by Endorsing Viktor Orban

Rubio's visit to Budapest and public statement of Trump's 'deep commitment to your success' for Viktor Orban, an authoritarian leader facing an election, is seen as a direct affront to traditional US allies and a betrayal of Hungarian dissidents fighting for a free country. Orban's rhetoric, stating 'those who love freedom should not fear the east but Brussels,' further highlights the ideological alignment with anti-democratic forces.

Rubio's statement in Budapest: 'President Trump is deeply committed to your success.' Orban's speech: 'We must get used to the idea that those who love freedom should not fear the east but Brussels.' Bill Kristol notes Rubio 'steps on those people' fighting Orban.

5Democratic Responses: Kelly's Critique and AOC's 'Class-Based Internationalism'

Mark Kelly directly attributes the breakdown of the 'old world order' to Donald Trump, leading to allies' distrust and increased Chinese influence. AOC, meanwhile, articulates a 'working-class centered politics' that also defends the 'rules-based order,' suggesting a fusion of domestic economic concerns with liberal internationalist foreign policy, a departure from typical democratic socialist isolationism.

Mark Kelly: 'When Secretary Rubio said the old world order was dead... it's dead because Donald Trump blew it up.' AOC: 'We have to have a working-class centered politics if we are going to succeed and also if we are going to stave off the scourges of authoritarianism.'

6Pentagon's Hostility Towards AI Safety Advocates

The Pentagon is considering designating Anthropic, an AI company, as a 'supply chain risk' because its CEO prioritizes ethical safeguards against mass surveillance and autonomous weapons. This indicates a government preference for military utility over AI safety and ethical development, potentially stifling responsible innovation.

Pete Hegseth is 'close to cutting all ties with Anthropic and designating the AI company a supply chain risk' because its CEO 'wants to ensure that tools aren't used to spy on Americans... or develop weapons that fire with no human involvement.'

7Military's 'Anti-Woke' Policy for Law School Funding

The military is reportedly making it harder for service members to attend top law schools, including Harvard, Princeton, and MIT, due to concerns about 'wokeness.' This policy is criticized as insulting to the intelligence and seriousness of military personnel and detrimental to their professional development.

Hegseth is 'making it harder... for members of the military... to go to... the 30 top law schools in the US basically because they're so woke.' Bill Kristol calls it 'so insulting to these serious people.'

8ICE Officers Accused of Fabricating Assault Story to Justify Shooting

In Minneapolis, felony assault charges against two Venezuelan migrants were dismissed after newly discovered evidence was 'materially inconsistent' with claims that ICE officers were beaten with a broom handle and snow shovel, leading to an officer shooting one of the migrants. This case highlights a pattern of alleged dishonesty and misconduct within DHS agencies.

District court judge Paul Magnuson dismissed felony assault charges against two Venezuelans accused of 'beating an ICE officer with a broom handle and a snow shovel.' Newly discovered evidence was 'materially inconsistent with the allegations.'

Quotes

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"If one of your proof points of how things are going well that's is that something that you did did not cause quote unbearable levels of pain. It's only caused some modest pain."

Tim Miller
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"Armies do not fight for abstractions. Armies fight for a people. Armies fight for a nation. Armies fight for a way of life. And that is what we are defending."

Marco Rubio
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"We're based on an abstraction. All men that are created equal. What has anyone ever does Mark have we read any of those sentences in the Declaration of Independence?"

Bill Kristol
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"It's it's it's like it is white national. It's agit prop and he's Cuban and I like I don't I don't really know any other way to describe what he's doing."

Tim Miller
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"No serious person thinks there's nothing to apologize about in our heritage in the American heritage. I mean, let's not just be too obvious here and talk about slavery and talk about the treatment of Native Americans."

Bill Kristol
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"We must get used to the idea that those who love freedom should not fear the east but Brussels and people should turn their anxious eyes to Brussels."

Viktor Orban
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"I'm going to be very blunt with you. The prime minister, Orban, and the president have a very, very close personal relationship and working relationship. I can say to you with confidence that President Trump is deeply committed to your success."

Marco Rubio
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"This thing didn't just blow itself up. This order that we've had for the last 80 years has been blown up by Trump and Rubio's there justifying it."

Bill Kristol
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"We have to have a workingclass centered politics if we are going to succeed and also if we are going to stave off the scourges of authoritarianism."

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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"I am all out of patience with ICE and the Border Patrol in every respect."

Bill Kristol

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