Lemon LIVE at 5 | BREAKING: Trump's Justice Department Indicts James Comey...AGAIN!
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Takeaways
- ❖The Trump Justice Department indicted James Comey for a third time over a beach photo featuring the numbers '8647', alleging it was a threat to the President.
- ❖Don Lemon explains that '86' is a restaurant slang term originating from a Prohibition-era speakeasy (Chumley's) meaning to 'discard' or 'exit via the back door,' not to 'kill' someone.
- ❖The host and guest view the indictment as politically motivated, part of a 'political enemies hit list,' and a 'ludicrous' waste of taxpayer money.
- ❖They criticize the administration for pursuing such cases while more serious issues like child trafficking or the Epstein victims' pursuit of justice are neglected.
- ❖Monique Presley highlights the 'process as punishment' tactic, where the legal process itself is the primary goal, regardless of ultimate success in court.
- ❖The discussion extends to other perceived political retaliations, such as the FCC investigating ABC's DEI programs after Jimmy Kimmel's jokes, and the 'Trump Kennedy Center' naming controversy.
Insights
1James Comey Indicted for '8647' Beach Photo
The Trump Justice Department indicted former FBI Director James Comey for a third time, alleging he threatened the President by posting a beach photo with the numbers '8647'. Prosecutors interpreted '86' as 'to off someone' and '47' as 'the 47th President', suggesting a threat to kill. Comey had removed the post and apologized, stating it was political speech without malicious intent.
The press conference by Todd Blanch, Beard Guy, and Cash Patel announcing the indictment. Don Lemon's direct quote of the charges. [], [], []
2Debunking the '86' Interpretation
Don Lemon and Monique Presley refute the prosecution's interpretation of '86'. They explain its origin as a Prohibition-era slang term from Chumley's bar in Greenwich Village, where '86' referred to the back exit at 86 Bedford Street, used to 'discard' patrons or 'refuse service' during police raids. It has no historical connection to violence or 'killing'.
Lemon's detailed historical account of Chumley's bar and the origin of '86'. Monique Presley's confirmation that Miriam Webster lists multiple meanings, with 'to off someone' being the 'latest, most slangiest meaning.' [], [], []
3Justice Department Actions as Political Retaliation
Both Don Lemon and Monique Presley assert that the Comey indictment and other legal actions are politically motivated and vindictive. They characterize the administration's legal efforts as 'Keystone cops' behavior, a 'political enemies hit list,' and a waste of taxpayer money, designed to punish perceived opponents rather than address legitimate crimes.
Lemon's statements like 'are really it's like the Keystone cops literally' and 'going along with this political enemies hit list'. Monique's comment that 'the process is punishment enough.' [], [], []
4Controversy Over White House Ballroom Project
The discussion covers the White House ballroom project, which was initially promised to be funded by private donors but is now reportedly shifting to taxpayer funding. The latest justification for the ballroom is national security and hosting events like the White House Correspondents' Dinner, despite the dinner being a private event that far exceeds the ballroom's capacity.
Lemon's statement: 'Donald Trump has been saying for months that private donors are going to pay for this ballroom project. Now apparently taxpayers are going to be on the hook for it.' Monique's critique of the White House Correspondents' Dinner justification. [], []
5FCC Scrutiny of ABC's DEI Programs
The FCC is investigating ABC's licenses for its owned and operated stations, allegedly due to non-compliance with diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs. This action is seen as suspicious in its timing, occurring shortly after comedian Jimmy Kimmel made jokes critical of the administration, suggesting it is another act of political retaliation.
Monique Presley's explanation: 'now the FCC is looking at ABC's licenses...because they say uh they didn't get rid of their diversity and equity inclusion programs...But it happens the morning after this hoopla about um Jimmy Kimmel and the joke he told.' []
6Lawsuit Against Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)
The Trump Justice Department is suing the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), alleging fraud for paying informants without donor knowledge. Lemon and Presley argue this is a politically motivated attack on an organization that has historically fought white supremacist groups, and that the government previously benefited from SPLC's informant information.
Monique Presley's explanation of the lawsuit: 'they're saying that the SPLC wrongfully spent money to pay informants and didn't let their donors know about it and they're calling it fraud.' []
Key Concepts
Process as Punishment
This model describes a tactic where the legal or administrative process itself, rather than the ultimate outcome, serves as the punishment. The goal is to inflict financial, reputational, or emotional cost through prolonged legal battles, even if the case is weak and likely to be dismissed.
Weaponization of Institutions
This refers to the misuse of government agencies, legal systems, or regulatory bodies for political gain, personal vendettas, or to suppress dissent, rather than for their intended public service functions. It undermines the impartiality and integrity of these institutions.
Lessons
- Critically evaluate political narratives and legal claims, especially when they seem to target perceived opponents, by seeking out historical context and alternative interpretations.
- Recognize the potential for 'process as punishment' tactics, where the legal system is used to inflict costs and damage reputation, regardless of the case's merits.
- Stay informed about government actions and their potential motivations, particularly concerning the weaponization of institutions like the Justice Department or regulatory bodies.
Notable Moments
Don Lemon's exasperated reaction to the Comey indictment press conference, comparing it to 'Keystone cops' and expressing embarrassment for the country's leadership.
This sets the tone for the episode, highlighting the host's strong opinion on the perceived absurdity and political nature of the legal action.
Playing a clip from the movie 'Billy Madison' where Adam Sandler's character states, 'What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard... Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.'
This comedic interlude serves as a powerful, non-verbal commentary on the host's and guest's perception of the intelligence and rationality behind the Justice Department's arguments.
James Comey's immediate response to the indictment, stating he is 'still innocent,' 'not afraid,' and believes in the 'independent federal judiciary,' while emphasizing that 'this is not who we are as a country.'
This provides a direct, defiant counter-narrative from the accused, reinforcing the political nature of the charges and offering a hopeful outlook on the judiciary's role.
Quotes
"This is their third try. This is their third tried to try to imprison James Comey and he could go to prison for 10 years for a picture that he took on the beach."
"You don't prosecute people for posting a picture on the beach. Get the [__] out of here."
"How do you prove intent? Especially where the phrase or the two numbers in question, 86, like if you look it up in Miriam Webster, it's got like three or four different meanings. And to off somebody is the very latest, most slangiest meaning."
"It's unpatriotic. It's hypocritical. It's vindictive. It's petty. But here's what it also is. Autocratic dictatorial. Like this is regime worthy conduct."
"Well, they're back. This time about a picture of seashells on a North Carolina beach a year ago. And this won't be the end of it. But nothing has changed with me. I'm still innocent. I'm still not afraid. And I still believe in the independent federal judiciary. So, let's go."
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