Lemon LIVE at 5 | Bros & Manosphere Influencers Drop Trump After Minneapolis ICE Murder!
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Takeaways
- ❖ICE agents in Minneapolis are accused of using excessive force, including tear gas and flashbangs, against protesters and civilians.
- ❖The killing of Renee Nicole Good by an ICE agent is widely condemned as unjustified, with allegations of a cover-up and demonization by the Trump administration.
- ❖Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon, influential 'manosphere' figures, have publicly expressed concern and criticism over the federal agents' conduct, indicating a potential shift in their political alignment.
- ❖A Purple Heart veteran was detained by ICE for seven hours for verbally protesting their presence, with his attorney denied access.
- ❖Guests argue that ICE's recruitment tactics and rhetoric align with white supremacist 'white replacement theory,' which was previously promoted by some 'manosphere' influencers.
- ❖Local law enforcement (Hennepin County Sheriff) is shown to be more cooperative with protesters than federal ICE agents, highlighting a jurisdictional conflict.
- ❖Prosecutors in Minneapolis and DC have reportedly resigned due to pressure from the Justice Department not to investigate the ICE agent involved in Good's death, but instead to investigate Good's activist ties.
Insights
1Trump's 'Manosphere' Base Shows Cracks Over ICE Actions
Don Lemon asserts that Donald Trump is losing a critical part of his constituency, the 'manosphere' and 'bro vote,' due to the extreme actions of federal agents. He cites Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon, who previously supported Trump, now publicly criticizing the deployment of federal agents as an 'occupying force' and 'provocation,' not law and order. This shift indicates that the perceived brutality and danger of the administration's tactics are alienating even its staunch supporters.
Joe Rogan stated, 'You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be US citizens.' (, ). Tim Dillon, a comedian and podcaster who previously 'coddled Trump world absurdities,' is now saying 'this feels wrong' and 'dangerous,' like a 'government that has lost the plot.' (, )
2ICE Operations in Minneapolis Characterized by Violence and Impunity
Jolly Good Ginger, reporting live from Minneapolis, describes a chaotic and violent scene outside the federal building where ICE operates. He details frequent use of tear gas, pepper balls, and flashbangs against protesters, resulting in injuries, including a reporter hit by shrapnel. ICE agents are accused of acting with aggression, antagonizing protesters, and making arrests of American citizens without clear authority, creating a sense of being 'impenetrable, untouchable' after the killing of Renee Nicole Good.
Jolly states, 'ICE comes out... They immediately start shooting paintballs and pepper balls and throwing flashbang grenades and tear gas everywhere.' (). He notes a reporter 'caught shrapnel below their eye' from a flashbang. (). ICE agents were observed 'leaning out the window laughing at the protesters and waving at him.' ()
3Killing of Renee Nicole Good and Alleged Cover-Up
The episode frames the killing of Renee Nicole Good by an ICE agent as an unjustified murder, followed by a concerted effort by the Trump administration to demonize her and cover up the incident. Guests highlight that the agent was not in front of her car when he shot her, and standard forensic procedures were bypassed as her vehicle was quickly removed from the state. This suggests a systemic attempt to obstruct justice and protect the agent involved.
Wajad Ali states, 'We saw an ICE agent murder Renee Nicole Good, an unarmed white mom.' (). Don Lemon notes, 'the guy shoots her and he's clearly not in front of the car.' (). Jolly Good Ginger adds, 'They took Renee Good's vehicle out of the state almost immediately after it happened... no CSI analysis.' (, ).
4ICE Agents Accused of Embodying White Supremacist Ideologies
Guests argue that ICE agents, particularly those deployed under the Trump administration, are not merely following orders but are actively embodying and promoting white supremacist and nationalist ideologies. They point to the use of 'remigrate' (a white supremacist term for ethnic cleansing) by DHS, the playing of a KKK anthem on a government social media account, and the 'wartime recruitment' of individuals from right-wing extremist groups. This suggests a deliberate effort to staff ICE with individuals who share these views.
Wajad Ali states, 'The DHS secretary stood behind a lectern which had a Nazi slogan. 'One of ours, all of yours' was used by the Nazi as a slogan.' (). He also mentions DHS tweeting 'remigrate' three times, calling it a 'white supremacist term' meaning 'ethnic cleansing.' (). Jolly Good Ginger adds, 'DHS... had a post up that said, 'We will get our home back.'... That is a white nationalist anthem first played by the KKK post civil war.' ()
5Detention of a Purple Heart Veteran Highlights ICE's Overreach
A Purple Heart recipient and Army combat veteran, Will, was abducted by ICE for seven hours for verbally protesting their presence, despite being a U.S. citizen. His attorney was denied access, and he was not allowed a phone call. This incident is presented as a stark example of ICE's disregard for constitutional rights and its willingness to target even highly privileged American citizens who challenge their authority.
Heather, Will's wife, states, 'He was abducted this morning at a.m. outside of our house... he's a US citizen... He served in Iraq. He earned a Purple Heart.' (). His attorney, John, confirms, 'I have never been denied access to a client in custody.' ().
Bottom Line
The perceived shift in 'manosphere' influencers' stance on Trump's federal agent deployments is not a genuine ideological change but a performative distancing to avoid accountability, as they previously promoted the white replacement theory that underpins these actions.
This suggests that while public criticism from these figures might appear to weaken Trump's support, their core audience may simply 'cancel' the influencers rather than Trump, indicating the deep entrenchment of extremist views within that base. It highlights the challenge of true ideological change versus superficial political maneuvering.
Activists and opposition groups could strategically highlight the hypocrisy of these influencers, forcing them to either fully denounce the underlying white supremacist ideologies or expose their performative activism, potentially further fragmenting their audience or discrediting their influence.
The Trump administration's alleged 'wartime recruitment' for ICE, coupled with the reported resignations of prosecutors unwilling to cover up ICE's actions, indicates a deliberate effort to create an unaccountable, ideologically aligned federal force.
This points to a systemic breakdown of legal and ethical oversight within federal law enforcement, suggesting a future where ICE could operate as a 'secret police force' with no checks, potentially impacting election integrity by intimidating voters based on appearance or perceived status.
Legal and civil rights organizations could focus on documenting and publicizing these prosecutor resignations and recruitment tactics to expose the internal resistance and ideological agenda within the Justice Department and ICE, building a stronger case for systemic reform or abolition.
Lessons
- Engage in local protests and community organizing against ICE operations to demonstrate public opposition and support affected individuals.
- Support political candidates, especially at the local and state level, who commit to defunding or abolishing ICE and holding federal agents accountable.
- Document and share instances of alleged ICE misconduct to counter mainstream media narratives and expose abuses of power.
Notable Moments
Jolly Good Ginger, a veteran, confronts ICE agents about their military-style uniforms, questioning if they 'earned' them like he did in Iraq and Afghanistan, calling their attire 'cosplay.'
This moment powerfully contrasts the genuine sacrifice of military service with the perceived unprofessionalism and aggressive tactics of ICE agents, highlighting a deep moral and ethical divide.
An ICE agent, after being questioned about his actions, states, 'I love my job. Thank you. I can't believe I get paid for this.'
This quote reveals a disturbing lack of empathy and a sense of enjoyment in their work, reinforcing the perception of ICE agents as unchecked and unaccountable, further fueling public outrage.
A U.S. citizen and Purple Heart recipient is detained by ICE for seven hours for verbally protesting, with his attorney denied access and no phone call allowed.
This incident serves as a stark illustration of ICE's alleged overreach and disregard for fundamental constitutional rights, even against a decorated American veteran, demonstrating that no citizen is immune from their actions.
Quotes
"That shield is cracking. He's losing this very important group. like Joe Rogan, not exactly a card carrying member of the ACLU, saying out loud that this looks bad, that sending federal agents into cities like an occupying force is not law, law and order, but it's provocation."
"This is Trump's Gestapo. It's a terrorist organization that has been unleashed against the American people. Fascists come for everyone."
"If they can kill Renee Nicole Good in death uh demonize her as a domestic terrorist... and Donald Trump said she he she violently ran over the ICE agent... called her an effing bee after he murdered her, walked over, saw her, and then fled."
"The difference is I raised my [__] right hand and I went to [__] war for this country. You can you can smile behind that mask all you want, but I serve my time. I serve my country. I'm not the illegals you're out here facing. I'm a goddamn American citizen who raised my right hand and I [__] did my duty to this country and I deserve an answer when I asked for it."
"I don't care that they got deployed here. They're not the military. They don't have to follow orders. They could also just quit their [__] job."
"This is someone who voted to express gratitude towards ICE. This is someone who voted for the Lincoln Riley Act. This is someone who is not going to do a thing to strip the funding away from these thugs."
"They didn't just promote Donald Trump. They promoted this idea of white replacement. This idea that if we don't get the uh immigrants out of the country that, you know, white people are going to be punished and white people become the minority."
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