John Kiriakou | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #661
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Takeaways
- ❖The Democratic Party introduced 'superdelegates' after the 1972 election to prevent 'extreme' populist candidates like George McGovern, Bernie Sanders, and Tulsi Gabbard from securing nominations, effectively centralizing control.
- ❖The CIA's recruitment process, once covert and based on psychological profiling, became a direct online application after the 1993 Equal Employment Opportunity Act.
- ❖Stalin used a White House spy to exploit President Roosevelt's illness, forcing the Yalta Conference to be held in a remote location to weaken him, leading to significant concessions like Poland.
- ❖Post-9/11, Executive Order 12333 was amended, allowing the CIA to establish 'kill teams' and engage in targeted assassinations, shifting focus from intelligence collection.
- ❖Kiriakou believes Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11, citing transferred funds to hijackers and the suspicious deaths of three Saudi princes with ties to Al-Qaeda.
- ❖Israel is accused of having advance warning of 9/11 but withholding details to ensure the US would engage militarily in the Middle East, serving Israeli strategic interests.
- ❖The CIA's post-9/11 torture program, including waterboarding, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, and 'rectal feeding,' was developed by two contract psychologists for $108 million, but confessions obtained were inadmissible in court.
- ❖The US government can now legally propagandize its own citizens following the 2016 National Defense Authorization Act, a reversal of previous laws.
- ❖Massive data centers, like the proposed Stratus project in Utah (2.5 times larger than Manhattan), are suspected to be intelligence-related, collecting vast amounts of American data without warrants, as warned by Edward Snowden.
- ❖AIPAC wields 'inordinate political influence' in US elections, spending millions to unseat candidates not 100% pro-Israel, without having to register as a foreign agent.
Insights
1Democratic Party's Superdelegate System and its Origins
The Democratic Party instituted 'superdelegates' after George McGovern's landslide loss in the 1972 presidential election. This system grants automatic delegate status to elected officials and party leaders, giving them significant influence over the nomination process. This mechanism was used to prevent populist candidates, such as Bernie Sanders and, more recently, Tulsi Gabbard, from gaining momentum and securing the party's nomination, effectively centralizing control away from the popular vote.
The DNC would change debate rules to keep Tulsi Gabbard out of reach when she inched up in polls. The same was done to Bernie Sanders. After McGovern's 1972 loss, party leaders created superdelegates to give more influence to experienced officials and reduce the chance of an 'extreme' nominee.
2CIA Recruitment and the Yalta Conference Spy Strategy
Kiriakou's recruitment into the CIA was unconventional, initiated by an undercover professor who identified his analytical skills. He recounts a historical example from his training: Stalin used a spy in the White House to learn of President Roosevelt's declining health before the Yalta Conference. Stalin then insisted on holding the conference in a remote, difficult-to-reach location, knowing the arduous journey would further weaken Roosevelt, leading to significant Soviet gains, including control over Poland.
Kiriakou was recruited by Dr. Gerald Post, a CIA officer undercover as a professor at George Washington University, after writing a psychological profile on his boss. The Yalta Conference location was chosen by Stalin because a spy informed him of Roosevelt's sickness, aiming to weaken him before negotiations. Roosevelt, exhausted, conceded Poland to end talks quickly.
3Post-9/11 Shift: From Intelligence to 'Kill Teams' and Torture
The September 11th attacks fundamentally transformed the CIA's mission. Executive Order 12333, which previously prohibited assassinations, was amended under President Bush to allow 'kill everybody you want.' This led to the creation of Special Activities Divisions/Groups focused on targeted killings globally, shifting the agency's primary function from intelligence gathering to direct action. The CIA also implemented a torture program, including waterboarding, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, and 'rectal feeding,' designed by two contract psychologists for $108 million. However, confessions obtained under torture were legally inadmissible, complicating prosecution.
9/11 changed everything permanently. Executive Order 12333, which previously prohibited killing people, was changed by Bush to 'just kill everybody you want.' Special Activities Divisions were set up for this. Kiriakou states the torture program was conceived in October 2001, and he later saw reports of techniques like waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and rectal feeding. Confessions obtained through torture were inadmissible.
4Saudi Involvement in 9/11 and Israeli Foreknowledge
Kiriakou asserts that Saudi Arabia was involved in the 9/11 attacks, citing evidence such as funds transferred to hijackers by the Saudi ambassador's wife and the suspicious deaths of three Saudi princes whose cell phone numbers were found in an Al-Qaeda operative's diary. He also controversially claims that Israel had advance warning of 9/11 but deliberately withheld details from the US. According to Kiriakou, Israel's motive was to ensure the US would launch military interventions in the Middle East, serving Israel's long-term strategic interests by 'doing their dirty work for them.'
Kiriakou states 16 or 17 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and the Saudi ambassador's wife transferred $50,000 to them. Three Saudi princes, whose numbers were found in Abu Zubaydah's diary, died under suspicious circumstances when the US requested them for interrogation. Kiriakou believes '100%' that Saudi Arabia killed them. He also states, 'I think that the Israelis, while not involved in 9/11, absolutely, positively had advance warning of 9/11… and they purposely did not tell us the details, because they knew what was going to happen. They knew that we would attack Afghanistan, and we would attack Iraq… 9/11 was a good thing for Israel.'
5Guantanamo Bay and the Lack of Detainee Rights
Following 9/11, the US began sending captured Al-Qaeda operatives to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The initial intent was to hold them there temporarily before charging them in federal courts. However, a decision was made by Dick Cheney's office to indefinitely detain them without rights, exploiting the legal ambiguity of their location outside US jurisdiction. Decades later, many detainees remain without trial or charges, a situation Kiriakou views as a violation of American legal principles.
Kiriakou's job in Pakistan was to catch Al-Qaeda members and send them to Guantanamo. The decision to leave them there 'forever' without rights was made in Dick Cheney's office. 34 detainees remain there 24 years later, never charged with a crime.
6Israeli Influence on US Military and Politics
Kiriakou highlights Israel's 'inordinate political influence' in the United States, particularly through lobbying groups like AIPAC, which spends millions in elections to ensure pro-Israel candidates. He points to the proposed 2027 National Defense Authorization Act, which would integrate US and Israeli militaries, covering technology sharing, co-production of weapons, and bilateral R&D. This integration, Kiriakou argues, formalizes a relationship where Israel actively spies on the US and benefits from advanced defense technology, often without reciprocity.
The 2027 National Defense Authorization Act integrates Israeli and American militaries, making them 'like one military.' AIPAC spends millions to unseat candidates not 100% pro-Israel and does not have to register as a foreign agent. The Israelis openly spy on the US, stealing defense secrets, while the US does not spy on Israel due to political decisions.
7The Rise of the 'Data State' and Government Propaganda
Kiriakou warns about the emergence of a 'data state' where government agencies, particularly the NSA and CIA, collect and store vast amounts of American citizens' digital data (phone calls, emails, texts). This mass surveillance, exposed by Edward Snowden, is illegal under NSA's charter but is facilitated by massive data centers. Furthermore, the 2016 National Defense Authorization Act made it legal for the US government to propagandize its own citizens, eroding the public's ability to discern objective information from state-sponsored narratives.
Edward Snowden warned that NSA and CIA were spying on Americans, which is illegal under NSA's charter. The NSA's Utah compound has enough storage for every American's phone call, email, and text for 500 years. The 2016 National Defense Authorization Act allowed the American government to propagandize its own people, a practice previously illegal.
Bottom Line
The US government's willingness to integrate its military with Israel, despite alleged Israeli espionage and controversial actions, indicates a deep-seated political influence that may supersede national security interests and public accountability.
This integration could entangle the US in conflicts not directly aligned with its own security, while potentially compromising sensitive defense technology and intelligence due to Israel's history of spying on the US.
Policymakers and the public should demand greater transparency and accountability regarding foreign lobbying and military partnerships, pushing for legislation that requires all foreign interest groups to register as foreign agents and ensures reciprocal intelligence-sharing agreements.
The unchecked growth of 'data centers' and the government's legal ability to collect and store all digital communications from American citizens signifies a profound shift towards a surveillance state, eroding privacy and civil liberties.
Citizens are increasingly vulnerable to government monitoring without due process, potentially leading to abuses of power and chilling effects on free speech and association. The sheer volume of data collected suggests a long-term strategic intent beyond immediate counterterrorism needs.
Advocacy for stronger digital privacy laws, investment in privacy-enhancing technologies, and public education campaigns on digital self-defense are critical. Supporting whistleblowers and organizations that expose government overreach can help maintain checks and balances.
The post-9/11 transformation of the CIA into an organization focused on 'kill teams' and torture, coupled with the inadmissibility of torture-derived confessions, created a system that was both immoral and ineffective for justice, perpetuating a cycle of violence and impunity.
This approach undermined America's moral standing, fueled anti-American sentiment, and failed to bring perpetrators to justice through legal means, leaving 9/11 families without closure and setting dangerous precedents for human rights.
There is an opportunity to re-evaluate and reform intelligence practices, emphasizing ethical intelligence gathering and adherence to international law. This includes holding accountable those who authorized and carried out torture, and advocating for transparent legal processes for detainees.
Lessons
- Investigate and challenge the influence of foreign lobbying groups like AIPAC on US elections and foreign policy by supporting legislation that mandates their registration as foreign agents.
- Demand transparency and accountability from government agencies regarding mass surveillance programs and the collection of citizens' data, advocating for stronger privacy protections and judicial oversight.
- Educate yourself on the history and current state of US intelligence operations, including the origins of 'superdelegates' and the impact of post-9/11 policy shifts, to make informed decisions about political candidates and media narratives.
Notable Moments
Kiriakou recounts his first White House briefing at age 25, where he was unexpectedly asked by President George H.W. Bush, 'Now what do we do?' after Iraq invaded Kuwait, highlighting his sudden immersion into high-stakes geopolitics.
This anecdote illustrates the immediate, high-pressure environment of intelligence work and the direct impact of analysts on presidential decision-making during a major international crisis.
Kiriakou details a successful recruitment where he befriended a target by 'accidentally' walking a borrowed dog in the park every morning, leading to a lucrative intelligence source.
This story reveals the human element and unconventional methods often employed in espionage, emphasizing relationship building and observation over high-tech gadgetry in certain contexts.
Kiriakou describes his first hours in prison, where he was approached by Aryan Brotherhood members and later 'drafted' by the Italian mob, learning about prison politics and 'honor' from unexpected sources.
This offers a raw, personal glimpse into the social dynamics and power structures within the prison system, contrasting with his prior experiences in the CIA.
Quotes
"Your memory is so good. You remember so many details that when I read the cables, I feel like I'm in the room watching it go down."
"Something terrible is going to happen. We don't know exactly when or exactly where, but we know it's going to be an attack on a scale that we've never seen before."
"If we don't start getting help from the Saudi government on this case, we're going to start killing people, a lot of people, and some of them are going to be named Al Saud."
"If the point was on October 7th was to attack civilians, the definition of terrorism is the act of using violence to instill terror in a civilian population. So, that's the definition of terrorism. So, yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization."
"We're a country of laws. We can't just pretend that we're a country of laws except when the laws aren't convenient for us."
"Nobody in the world hates me as much as my ex-wife does. And she came every month with the kids and visited me in jail for 2 years."
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