The Joe Budden Podcast Episode 940 | Good Kids
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Summary
Takeaways
- ❖Mona's viral incident in Delaware highlights the double-edged sword of fame for public figures in everyday situations.
- ❖The debate between Clive Davis and Berry Gordy as the greatest talent finders centers on breadth across genres versus concentrated impact on iconic artists.
- ❖Brandon Marshall's 2 AM run as discipline for his son ignited a fierce discussion on physical punishment and the ethics of public shaming via social media.
- ❖Ne-Yo's system for managing three girlfriends reveals the logistical complexities and potential lack of 'fun' in polyamorous relationships.
- ❖Floyd Mayweather's financial woes spark a debate on public sympathy for the ultra-rich, particularly when past flamboyance is perceived as reckless spending.
- ❖The internet's tendency to 'make up' narratives, even about trivial matters like Jay-Z's hair, can overshadow legitimate critiques of public figures.
Insights
1Public Figures and 'Hood' Environments
The crew discusses co-host Mona's viral verbal altercation in Delaware, leading to a broader conversation about public figures maintaining ties to their old neighborhoods. Joe Budden argues that celebrities should 'outgrow' certain environments for safety, while others emphasize comfort and a desire not to appear 'too good' for their roots.
Joe Budden questions why Mona was in that particular store in Delaware, suggesting public figures should avoid situations that could compromise their social standing. Ish compares it to Joe's presence in Bronx strip clubs, arguing that familiarity doesn't negate risk, and that public perception often judges figures for being in such places.
2Clive Davis's Legacy as a Talent Finder
The podcast eulogizes music executive Clive Davis, highlighting his unique ability to scout and nurture talent across diverse genres, from rock to pop to R&B. Mark Lamont Hill argues that Davis's breadth of talent discovery, including artists like Janis Joplin, Bruce Springsteen, Whitney Houston, and Alicia Keys, makes him a contender for the greatest talent finder in American music history, even over Berry Gordy.
Mark Lamont Hill details Davis's career from Columbia Records to Arista and J Records, noting his role in the careers of Santana, Aerosmith, and his pivotal relationship with Whitney Houston. He also mentions Davis's public declaration of bisexuality in his autobiography, aiming to reduce stigma.
3Parental Discipline and Social Media
Brandon Marshall's video of his 11-year-old son running at 2 AM as a form of discipline sparks a heated debate. While some agree with the intent to instill discipline and warrior-like qualities, the primary contention is the act of posting such moments on social media, which can lead to public shaming and a permanent digital record that could humiliate the child later in life.
Mark Lamont Hill expresses discomfort with the public shaming aspect, drawing parallels to mothers beating children at school. Freeze argues that discipline must affect the child in their 'world,' and for modern kids, social media is that world. Joe Budden recounts his own theatrical efforts to avoid punishment from his mother, highlighting the difference between temporary embarrassment and permanent online records.
4The Logistics of Polyamory
Ne-Yo's girlfriend discusses how he manages his time with his three partners through a strict scheduling system. The hosts find this approach to polyamory to be more like 'work' and less 'fun' than imagined, highlighting the extensive logistical and emotional management required in such relationships.
Ne-Yo's girlfriend explains that he divides his time based on how long he'll be away, allocating specific days to each partner. Joe Budden comments, 'This sounds like way more work and less fun than I would have imagined having three girlfriends to be.'
5Public Sympathy for the Ultra-Rich
Floyd Mayweather's recent financial and legal troubles, including alleged bad checks and lawsuits against his team, lead to a discussion about public sympathy for wealthy individuals. Mark Lamont Hill admits to struggling with sympathy for Mayweather due to his flamboyant and perceived 'reckless' spending, contrasting it with empathy for those who didn't flaunt their wealth.
Floyd is facing felony charges, allegations of taking money for fights without repayment, and a $200,000 bad check for a watch. Mark states, 'It's hard when I watch his watching how he's lived over the last 20, the flamboyance, the money, it's just hard for me to feel sympathetic.' Ish and Freeze argue that flamboyance doesn't negate the right to sympathy or justice.
Quotes
"Yo, when he don't talk this nigga... Holy sh, it's the old school trick and it worked again. Ice looks amazing under the strip club lights."
"He had a unique and rare ability to spot talent and across genres, which is another thing. Some execs only can find the the soul singer or the pop singer or the rap artist. But when you can see Santana and you can see Janice Joplin, you can see Aerrol Smith, you can see Bruce Springsteen... then you can see Whitney Houston..."
"I don't think you making your kid run three blocks or a mile is necessarily abusive. I don't... I think again my point is putting it on the internet. My issue is the internet part of it."
"I thought if you had three girlfriends, you would get rugs."
"I'm unconditioning myself in some of this stupid hip-hop [__]. Y'all want to carry on?"
"I'm not saying this is fair. And then we have a whole conversation. You all trying to convince me how unfair it is. I agree it's not fair. I I began with that. I'm just telling you why I feel that way."
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