French Montana & Max B on 'Coke Wave 3.5,' prison stories & "All The Way Up" | Fat Joe & Jadakiss
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Summary
Takeaways
- ❖Max B released a 24-song mixtape within his first 30 days out of prison, showcasing immense creative drive.
- ❖French Montana's 'Unforgettable' became a global hit after he personally invested $150,000 (matched by his label) to acquire the leaked track and self-funded the video shoot in Uganda.
- ❖Fat Joe detailed how he made more money independently with 'Make It Rain' (4 million records sold) by receiving $7 per CD, compared to major label deals.
- ❖The 'Coke Wave 3.5' title originated from French Montana and Max B being so high they skipped 'Coke Wave 3' and went straight to '4', then retroactively added '3.5'.
- ❖Fat Joe emphasizes the importance of ensuring 'everybody got to eat' in business, a lesson learned from billionaire JR Ridinger.
- ❖Artist nicknames like Max B, Jadakiss, and French Montana often originate organically from their communities or experiences, rather than being self-chosen.
Insights
1Resilience and Immediate Creative Output Post-Incarceration
Max B, after serving 17 years in prison, immediately re-engaged with music, producing a 24-song mixtape within his first 30 days of release. This demonstrates profound mental fortitude and a relentless commitment to his craft, refusing to dwell on the past but instead focusing on future output.
Max B states, 'It was horrible, but it was something I had to get over like that. It was nothing I sat on. It was like next day it was like, "All right, off to the next. How we going to get the [__] out?"' He later adds, 'My first 30 days out, I gave him a 20 plus 24 song mixtape my first day out.'
2Strategic Risk-Taking for Global Hits
French Montana's 'Unforgettable' became a massive hit through unconventional means. He paid $300,000 for a leaked track (half from his pocket, half from the label) and personally funded the music video shoot in Uganda, showcasing a willingness to invest heavily and take significant risks on a project he believed in, despite initial label hesitation.
French Montana explains, 'The record leaked, the business wasn't done... I holler at Sway and I holler at Mike Will... S came in. He was like, "Bro, I'mma tell you how you gonna get this record. Just give him 300,000 for the record."... I put up 150 and shot the Sylvia own. She put up 150. But, I went to Africa and I shot the video out of my own pocket, too.'
3The Power of Independent Music Distribution
Fat Joe achieved unprecedented financial success by going independent with his hit 'Make It Rain.' He earned significantly more by receiving $7 per CD sold for half a million units, totaling $3.5 million, which surpassed the advances offered by major labels for entire albums. This highlights the financial empowerment of artists who own their masters and control their distribution.
Fat Joe recounts leaving Atlantic Records and deciding to go independent: 'If I get $7 for a half a million, I make three and a half million. It's more than the 500,000 or the million dollars they giving me to do the whole album.' He then states, 'Make it rain. 4 million records on the masses with the [__] independent.'
4Authentic Relationships as a Foundation for Success
Both French Montana and Max B emphasize that their collaboration and mutual support are rooted in genuine friendship, not just financial gain. This deep loyalty allowed French Montana to celebrate Max B's success from prison and Max B to trust French Montana implicitly with his career upon release, demonstrating that strong personal bonds can be a powerful asset in a competitive industry.
Max B states, 'My [__] is based on straight solid friendship, music creation, that's just my [__]. Everything else happened. So when I'm in jail seeing this [__] on TV, I ain't in there going, "Fuck, that should have been me." No, I'm in that [__] crying with happiness.' French Montana adds, 'When I got with Max, that's when the real French Montana was discovered.'
5The Organic Evolution of Artist Branding and Nicknames
Many iconic artist names, including Max B, Jadakiss, and French Montana, were not self-chosen but rather emerged organically from their communities, personal experiences, or unique characteristics. This highlights the authentic, street-level origins of their identities, which resonated deeply with their audiences.
Max B explains his name's origin from Big Pun and Tupac's 'Makaveli' (). Jadakiss's name came from an older block resident (). French Montana's name originated from his Moroccan background and speaking French in the Bronx, with 'Montana' added from his hustling days (). Fat Joe notes, 'You always take the name that your people give you... you don't get to make your nickname.'
Opportunities
Artist-Funded Global Content Production
Artists can bypass traditional label investment hurdles by self-funding international music video shoots and content creation in unique, culturally rich locations (e.g., Uganda for 'Unforgettable'). This strategy allows for creative control and can generate massive global appeal if the content resonates.
Monetizing Leaked Music through Strategic Acquisition
Develop a business model for artists or labels to strategically acquire and invest in leaked tracks that show viral potential. Instead of fighting leaks, formalize ownership and invest in marketing to turn a potential loss into a major hit, as French Montana did with 'Unforgettable'.
Independent Artist Empowerment Platform
Create a platform or service that guides artists through the process of going independent, focusing on maximizing revenue streams (e.g., higher per-unit earnings), managing distribution, and retaining ownership of masters, similar to Fat Joe's success with 'Make It Rain'.
Lessons
- Cultivate genuine, long-term relationships within your industry; these can provide invaluable support and opportunities beyond transactional benefits.
- Be prepared to self-fund and take calculated risks on projects you deeply believe in, especially if traditional gatekeepers are hesitant.
- Develop extreme mental resilience and a forward-looking mindset to rapidly overcome setbacks and maintain productivity, as demonstrated by Max B's immediate creative output post-incarceration.
Notable Moments
French Montana's encounter with the Princess of Dubai
This anecdote highlights the unexpected connections and access that can come with global fame, and how influential figures can be surprisingly down-to-earth, even attending a 'welcome home' party for Max B.
Fat Joe's accidental high from French Montana's edibles
A humorous story illustrating the casual, sometimes chaotic, behind-the-scenes moments in the lives of artists, and the unexpected effects of edibles on someone who doesn't typically consume them.
Quotes
"It was horrible, but it was something I had to get over like that. It was nothing I sat on. It was like next day it was like, 'All right, off to the next. How we going to get the [__] out?'"
"My [__] is based on straight solid friendship, music creation, that's just my [__]. Everything else happened. So when I'm in jail seeing this [__] on TV, I ain't in there going, 'Fuck, that should have been me.' No, I'm in that [__] crying with happiness."
"You know these record labels ain't nothing but a bank. But they make you believe a hit won't go without them though. It's a lie."
"The biggest thing he taught me is that everybody got to eat."
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