Would You Trust These Idiots With a War? | Secret Podcast Preview
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Summary
Takeaways
- ❖Sarah Longwell's new book is an Amazon bestseller, with strong community support driving pre-orders.
- ❖The hosts express deep concern over the perceived incompetence of current US leadership in foreign policy, particularly regarding the Iran conflict.
- ❖Historical figures like Winston Churchill and the Nuremberg trial prosecutors are presented as models of leaders who understood the profound responsibility of war, in stark contrast to present-day officials.
- ❖The administration's contradictory statements on Iran's 'surrender' and the benefits of high oil prices underscore a lack of coherent strategy.
- ❖US war planners were reportedly 'skeptical' Iran would close the Strait of Hormuz, despite this being a long-standing, publicly documented part of Iranian defense doctrine.
- ❖The hosts believe the current approach to Iran is more likely to strengthen the Iranian regime and radicalize populations against the US.
Insights
1Community Drives Book Success and Engagement
Sarah Longwell's book quickly became an Amazon bestseller, largely due to the dedicated support and pre-orders from The Bulwark community. This community engagement is so strong that many ordered the book specifically to unlock a JVL-moderated focus group.
Sarah states her book is 'already a bestseller on Amazon' and thanks the community for showing up 'out of control in like the best possible way.' She mentions people ordering 'just because you're desperate for JBL to moderate a focus group.'
2Critique of US Leadership's War Competence
The hosts express profound alarm at the perceived incompetence and lack of seriousness within the current US government regarding military conflicts, specifically the escalating situation with Iran. They argue that officials treat war like a 'video game' or 'popcorn flick,' without grasping the profound responsibility for human lives.
Sarah states, 'I cannot imagine being a parent whose child was in the armed forces right now and watching Pete Hegsmith's press conferences because I would think to myself, 'Holy my child's life is in the hands of a moron.'' () She later adds, 'It's wildly irresponsible. These are not responsible people.' ()
3Historical Leadership as a Counterpoint to Current Incompetence
The discussion contrasts current US leadership with historical figures like Winston Churchill and the Supreme Court Justice prosecuting at Nuremberg. These historical examples illustrate leaders who took their roles and the gravity of war 'profoundly seriously,' understanding the immense responsibility for human lives and the long-term implications of their decisions.
JVL discusses watching 'Nermberg' and 'The Darkest Hour,' noting they are about 'people who take their role in history profoundly seriously.' () Sarah elaborates on Churchill's struggle with the lives of soldiers at Dunkirk () and contrasts it with Trump's 'It's war. It happens.' comment ().
4Contradictory and Illogical US Foreign Policy Signals on Iran
Recent US actions and statements regarding Iran are highlighted as contradictory and indicative of poor planning. These include Trump's declaration of Iran's 'surrender' amidst escalating military movements, easing sanctions on Russia while engaging Iran, and the administration's new stance that 'high oil prices are good' for America, despite previous claims of lowering gas prices.
JVL lists: 'Donald Trump in a virtual meeting with the G7 said that Iran was about to surrender.' () 'Marine Expeditionary Force is moving assets into the Middle East.' () 'We are further easing sanctions on Russia to allow their oil to flow.' () 'New line being peddled... high oil prices are good actually because America produces a lot of oil.' ()
5Ignoring Predictable Iranian Responses to Aggression
The hosts criticize US war planners for allegedly being 'skeptical' that Iran would close the Strait of Hormuz, despite this being a well-established and publicly documented component of Iranian defense doctrine against US/Israeli aggression.
Sarah refers to a CNN story about 'how the war planners were all skeptical that Iran would close the straight of Hormuz.' () She notes this has 'simply been part of Iranian doctrine' and can be found in 'white paper after white paper' at the Institute of Peace.
Bottom Line
The US government's public messaging and internal planning regarding the Iran conflict appear to be disconnected from established geopolitical realities and Iran's known defense doctrines.
This disconnect suggests a dangerous level of unpreparedness or willful ignorance, increasing the risk of miscalculation and unintended escalation in a critical region.
Analysts and policymakers should prioritize understanding and acknowledging adversary doctrines, even when inconvenient, to avoid 'blindsided' scenarios and ensure more realistic strategic planning.
Lessons
- Critically evaluate official government statements on foreign policy and military actions, looking for consistency, logic, and alignment with known facts.
- Demand leadership that demonstrates a profound sense of responsibility for human lives and the long-term consequences of military engagement, rather than treating conflicts as political opportunities or 'video games.'
- Support sources of analysis that provide deep, historically informed perspectives on international relations, contrasting them with superficial or politically motivated narratives.
Notable Moments
JVL offers to voice all quoted dialogue in Sarah Longwell's audiobook, creating a 'champagne tier' collector's edition.
This humorous exchange highlights the hosts' close relationship and adds a lighthearted, personal touch to the podcast, while also touching on the practicalities of audiobook production.
Sarah Longwell expresses outrage over US government-produced social media clips intercutting gun camera footage with video game content.
This moment encapsulates the hosts' core critique: the perceived trivialization of war and human lives by current leadership, contrasting sharply with the gravity of historical conflicts.
Quotes
"I cannot imagine being a parent whose child was in the armed forces right now and watching Pete Hegsmith's press conferences because I would think to myself, 'Holy my child's life is in the hands of a moron.'"
"The thing that that strikes me in it is how great people hold the profound responsibility of other human lives on their hearts."
"He doesn't have Trump himself doesn't have the thing where he says I take the lives of your sons and daughters so seriously that I will only put them in harm's way for the absolute necessity of the survival of our country. Do you remember what he what he said after the first casualties? He's like, 'It's war. It happens.'"
"The idea that you could be blindsided by this is insane."
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