85 South
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June 26, 2026

"WHO'S THE REAL MJ?" W/ DC YOUNG FLY AND KARLOUS MILLER | 85 SOUTH SHOW

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Quick Read

DC Young Fly and Karlous Miller engage in a raw, comedic discussion spanning fan behavior at sports events, the economics of prostitution during the World Cup, the evolution of porn, and Michael Jackson's unparalleled 'gangster' persona.
New York sports events are seeing an increase in aggressive fan behavior, including jersey-yanking, which panelists argue is disrupting the competitive spirit.
The World Cup in Atlanta is humorously predicted to boost local prostitution, with a discussion on the perceived 'vibe' vs. transactional nature of sex work.
Michael Jackson is celebrated as an unparalleled 'gangster' for his control over personal life, exotic animal ownership, and strategic use of his iconic moonwalk.

Summary

DC Young Fly and Karlous Miller delve into a series of unfiltered, comedic debates. They discuss the escalating violence and jersey-yanking incidents at New York sports events, contrasting it with the perceived 'rules' of fan interaction. The conversation shifts to the upcoming World Cup in Atlanta, where Miller humorously predicts a surge in prostitution, detailing the perceived 'vibe' versus transactional nature of such encounters. They then explore the changing landscape of porn, lamenting the loss of narrative and cinematography, and the over-saturation of explicit content on social media, which has eroded 'slut shaming.' The latter half of the episode is dedicated to a passionate homage to Michael Jackson, highlighting his 'gangster' attributes, from his control over his children's mother to his ownership of exotic animals and his masterful stage presence, which they argue he strategically limited to avoid 'breaking the world.'
This episode offers a candid, comedic, and often provocative look at contemporary social dynamics through the lens of two prominent comedians. It provides a raw perspective on fan culture, the societal impact of major events, the evolution of media consumption, and a unique, 'gangster' re-evaluation of Michael Jackson's legacy, reflecting how cultural icons are reinterpreted through different generations and viewpoints.

Takeaways

  • Fan violence and jersey-yanking at sports events, particularly in New York, are seen as destructive to competitive sportsmanship.
  • The World Cup in Atlanta is humorously anticipated to lead to a boom in prostitution, with discussions on pricing and cultural perceptions.
  • The evolution of porn is critiqued for losing its narrative and 'cinematography,' becoming too raw and immediate.
  • Social media's over-saturation of explicit content has eliminated 'slut shaming,' making previously embarrassing acts normalized.
  • Michael Jackson is lauded for his 'gangster' qualities, including his control over his children's mother and his ownership of exotic animals like Bubbles the monkey and giraffes.
  • Jackson's stage presence, particularly the moonwalk, is framed as strategically limited to prevent 'breaking the world' with its overwhelming power.

Insights

1The Erosion of Sportsmanship by Fan Aggression

The hosts express concern over the increasing aggression at sports events, specifically mentioning fans yanking opposing team jerseys. They argue this behavior, particularly in New York, is detrimental to the competitive spirit and can lead to dangerous situations, contrasting it with the traditional acceptance of a loss.

Discussion about fans yanking jerseys in New York, the host's personal experience talking trash at a Super Bowl among Patriot fans without fear of physical assault, and the claim that such acts make people fear wearing opposing team colors.

2The 'Vibe' Economy of Prostitution and Major Events

In anticipation of the World Cup coming to Atlanta, the hosts humorously predict a significant increase in prostitution. They discuss the perceived cultural differences in prostitution (e.g., cheaper abroad) and the idea of a 'vibe trick' where clients seek an experience beyond just a transaction, including food and companionship, to avoid the perception of 'sex trafficking.'

Prediction of 'a lot of coochie going to get sold' during the World Cup, discussion of 'WhatsApp' being used for arrangements, and the concept of paying for a 'vibe' rather than a direct sexual act to differentiate from sex trafficking.

3The Decline of Narrative in Modern Pornography

The hosts lament the shift in pornography from having a narrative and 'cinematography' to being overtly explicit and immediate. They express a preference for 'old porn' that built up to the sexual act, contrasting it with modern content that often lacks context or artistic direction.

The desire for porn that 'trick me into thinking I'm watching a regular movie first' versus content where 'people already [expletive]'. Specific examples include 'Hey Carol, I'm here to fix your pool' scenarios and critiques of 'black porn' for its abruptness.

4Social Media's Role in Erasing 'Slut Shaming' and Normalizing Exposure

The conversation posits that social media has fundamentally changed societal norms around sexual exposure and 'slut shaming.' What was once embarrassing and led to deleted accounts is now openly embraced, with people actively posting explicit content, leading to an 'oversaturated' and 'freaked out' online environment where 'everybody's business' is public.

The claim that 'people's [expletive] used to get leaked and exposed. They would be embarrassed. They were shamed.' contrasted with 'They're putting it out there now.' and 'there ain't no shame no more. It's just everybody freaked out.'

5Michael Jackson: The Ultimate 'Gangster' and Master of Control

The hosts present a unique perspective on Michael Jackson, portraying him as an ultimate 'gangster' due to his unparalleled control, influence, and unconventional lifestyle. This includes his ability to have children with a white woman and take them without her interference, his ownership of exotic animals, and his strategic mastery of his public image and performances.

Mention of Michael Jackson having a white woman 'have his babies and give him the babies' and then taking them away, his ownership of Bubbles the monkey, giraffes, and tigers, and the assertion that 'that monkey was terrified of Michael Jackson.'

6The Strategic Restraint of Michael Jackson's Moonwalk

Michael Jackson's iconic moonwalk is analyzed not just as a dance move, but as a strategically deployed, powerful performance element. The hosts argue that Jackson deliberately limited its duration and frequency in his performances because a full, extended moonwalk would be too overwhelming and 'break the world,' demonstrating his deep understanding of audience impact.

The observation that 'Mike don't never moonwalk all the way across the stage then come back cuz he know that'll [expletive] the world up.' and the idea that 'the moonwalk is just a small piece of the [expletive] that Mike can really do. That's like 5%.'

Quotes

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"You can't go out there yank them folk jersey just cuz y'all lost, bro. Somebody going to lose their life."

DC Young Fly
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"America don't have no good PR when it comes to prostitution cuz this is expensive. This ain't You can't leave your country where you getting some ass for $30 and then come over here."

Karlous Miller
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"It ain't about how long you going. It's about what you did to it."

DC Young Fly
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"Mike was gangster enough to walk a lady all the way home by himself, not scared, with a red [expletive] leather jacket on with the sleeves pushed up. You don't know what hoods he had to walk through with that [expletive] on. Didn't nobody try him."

Karlous Miller
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"Mike the only [expletive] who got Crips and Bloods in one spot so he could dance for them."

Karlous Miller
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"Most people have a pet monkey and be kind of scared of the monkey. THAT MONKEY WAS TERRIFIED of Michael Jackson."

Karlous Miller

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