Joe Rogan Experience #2500 - Scott Horton
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Takeaways
- ❖The 'New World Order' conspiracy theory, as understood by Scott Horton, evolved into the reality of American empire-building, focused on Washington D.C. as the world government, not the UN.
- ❖The Wolfowitz Doctrine, drafted after the first Gulf War, outlined a US foreign policy aiming for global military dominance and preventing any nation or alliance from balancing against US power.
- ❖The 'Clean Break' doctrine (1996) for Netanyahu advocated for Israel's peace through total dominance over its neighbors, requiring the destabilization of states like Iraq, Syria, and Iran.
- ❖The US directly influenced Ukrainian politics through two coups (2004, 2014) and extensive infiltration of its government, contributing to the current conflict with Russia.
- ❖The Rand Corporation's 2019 'Extending Russia' study explicitly detailed strategies to 'overextend' Russia through provocations in Belarus, Syria, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine, despite warnings of potential catastrophic outcomes.
- ❖The blowing up of the Nordstream pipeline was likely an act to solidify the economic and political break between Germany and Russia, driven by a 'primordial fear' of a German-Russian alliance.
- ❖Iran's nuclear program was under robust IAEA safeguards, proving no diversion of nuclear material, contrary to claims used to justify military action.
- ❖The US military's conventional empire in the Middle East is 'bankrupt,' as demonstrated by Iran's ability to strike US bases and economic targets with impunity, forcing allies to make deals with Iran.
Insights
1Evolution of US Foreign Policy from UN-centric to American Empire
Scott Horton explains his shift from believing in a 'New World Order' conspiracy centered on the UN to realizing that US foreign policy, particularly after the Cold War, aimed to establish Washington D.C. as the de facto world government. This was articulated in documents like the Wolfowitz Doctrine, which sought to maintain unparalleled global dominance and prevent any potential rivals from emerging.
Horton describes how the Iraq War's prosecution under W. Bush disproved the UN-centric theory, revealing a policy driven by the National Security Council and neoconservatives. The Wolfowitz Doctrine (1992) explicitly stated the US goal to be the dominant power on every continent and to not tolerate any nation or alliance balancing against it. [], []
2Neoconservative Influence on Middle East Wars
The neoconservative movement, a blend of the Israel lobby and the military-industrial complex, actively shaped US policy to pursue regime change in the Middle East. Their 'Clean Break' doctrine, written for Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996, advocated for Israel's security through total dominance over its neighbors, necessitating the overthrow of regimes like Saddam Hussein's in Iraq.
Andrew Cockburn's quote on neoconservatives as a 'cross between the Israel lobby and the military-industrial complex' highlights their funding and policy goals. The 'seven countries' plan, mentioned by Wesley Clark, is linked to this network. The 'Clean Break' paper by David Wormser and Richard Pearl detailed a strategy to dismantle the 'arc of power' from Tehran to Hezbollah, starting with Iraq, based on a 'hairbrain scheme' that ultimately empowered Iran. [], []
3US Provocation and the Ukraine Conflict
The current war in Ukraine is framed as a direct consequence of decades of aggressive US and NATO expansion eastward, breaking promises made to Russia after the Cold War. The US actively undermined Ukrainian sovereignty through two coups and extensive governmental infiltration, pushing Ukraine into an anti-Russian stance.
Horton details promises made by US, British, and German leaders to Gorbachev in 1989 and the 1990s not to expand NATO eastward. George Kennan, the architect of containment, warned in 1998 that NATO expansion would provoke Russia. Victoria Nuland's testimony described deep US 'infiltration' of the Ukrainian government. The Rand Corporation's 2019 'Extending Russia' study outlined how to 'overextend' Russia by provoking conflicts in its periphery, including increasing support for the Ukrainian military. [], [], [], []
4The 'Bankrupt' US Military Empire in the Middle East
The US military's conventional presence in the Middle East is fundamentally flawed and vulnerable. Despite immense spending, these bases serve as 'tripwires' and 'hostages' rather than effective deterrents, as demonstrated by Iran's ability to strike them with precision and volume.
Horton cites the Pentagon's 2007 warning to W. Bush that the US lacked 'escalation dominance' against Iran due to its short and medium-range missile force. He details how Iran's 2020 strikes hit 18 US bases, destroying radar stations, pitting runways, and hitting tankers, leaving allies exposed. This revealed the 'hollow bluff' of American dominance, forcing regional powers to make separate deals with Iran. [], [], []
Bottom Line
The 'primordial fear' of American foreign policy planners is a strong alliance between Germany and Russia, combining German manufacturing with Russian raw materials and military potential to dominate Eastern Europe and exclude other powers.
This fear likely drove the US to sabotage the Nordstream pipeline, aiming to solidify the economic and political break between Germany and Russia, even at the cost of massive environmental damage and European energy security.
Understanding this underlying geopolitical tension allows for a more accurate prediction of US actions in Europe and the energy sector, and highlights potential vulnerabilities or opportunities for nations seeking to assert greater independence from US foreign policy objectives.
A faction within the US military, particularly in the Air Force's highest ranks, consists of religious fundamentalists who believe that current conflicts, especially with Iran, are divinely ordained to bring about Armageddon and the return of Jesus Christ.
This belief system among military leaders poses an existential threat, as it could lead to reckless decisions regarding nuclear weapons and aggressive military actions, driven by apocalyptic prophecies rather than strategic national interest.
Public awareness and scrutiny of religious extremism within military leadership are critical to prevent catastrophic policy decisions. This insight suggests a need for stronger secular oversight and ethical training within military command structures.
Lessons
- Critically analyze mainstream media narratives on geopolitical conflicts, especially those involving US intervention, by seeking out historical context and alternative perspectives from independent journalists and experts.
- Investigate the financial ties and ideological backgrounds of think tanks and policymakers influencing foreign policy decisions, as these often reveal underlying motivations beyond stated national interests.
- Support organizations and voices that advocate for non-interventionist foreign policies and question the military-industrial complex, recognizing the long-term costs and blowback of perpetual warfare.
Notable Moments
Horton explains how the Wolfowitz Doctrine aimed for US global dominance, not UN power, and how this doctrine led to expanding US footprint in the Middle East and Eastern Europe.
This clarifies the strategic intent behind US post-Cold War foreign policy, showing a deliberate move towards unilateral hegemony rather than multilateral cooperation, which set the stage for future conflicts.
Discussion of the 'seven countries' memo and the neoconservative network that pushed for regime change across the Middle East, often aligning with Israeli interests.
This reveals the specific ideological and political forces that drove the Iraq War and subsequent destabilization efforts, highlighting how a small group of influential figures can shape major international events.
Horton details how the US orchestrated two coups in Ukraine (2004, 2014) and deeply infiltrated its government, directly provoking Russia and creating an 'antagonistic relationship'.
This challenges the common narrative of Russia as an unprovoked aggressor, providing crucial historical context for the Ukraine conflict and suggesting US actions were a significant catalyst.
The Rand Corporation's 'Extending Russia' study (2019) is cited, explicitly outlining strategies to 'overextend' Russia through various provocations, including supporting the Ukrainian military.
This reveals a documented, strategic US policy to weaken Russia, demonstrating a proactive approach to geopolitical competition that directly contributed to the current state of conflict, despite internal warnings of catastrophic outcomes.
The discussion of the Nordstream pipeline sabotage and the 'primordial fear' of a German-Russian alliance among US foreign policy planners.
This offers a compelling, albeit controversial, explanation for a major geopolitical event, suggesting that US interests in preventing European-Russian cooperation outweighed environmental and economic concerns.
The revelation of a US military commander claiming Trump was 'anointed by Jesus' to cause Armageddon through Iran strikes, with a 'giant smile on his face'.
This exposes a deeply disturbing religious fundamentalism within high military ranks, raising serious concerns about the motivations behind military actions and the potential for apocalyptic beliefs to influence strategic decisions.
Horton explains the robust IAEA safeguards on Iran's nuclear program, proving no diversion of nuclear material, contrasting with the narrative used to justify military threats.
This debunks a central justification for aggressive US policy towards Iran, highlighting how perceived threats can be manufactured or exaggerated to serve political agendas.
The discussion of Israel's unofficial nuclear arsenal and its historical influence on US presidents (JFK, Clinton, Obama, Trump) to prevent Iran from developing any nuclear capability.
This illustrates the immense, often unacknowledged, leverage Israel holds over US foreign policy, shaping critical decisions regarding regional security and nuclear proliferation.
Quotes
"What HW Bush meant by that was just the era of the American empire with no one to stop us this time was all it was never to build up the UN as the world government. And it was to build up Washington DC as the world government."
"We're not even going to tolerate any other nation or alliance or group of nations anywhere to try to join together to balance against us. We will be dominant everywhere."
"The neoconservatives are a cross between the Israel lobby and the military-industrial complex. The fighter bomber salesman needed eggheheads to justify their policies. And the neoconservatives wanted to support Israel, wanted to support American hegemony."
"This is an unnecessary provocation against the Russians. These are our friends who just overthrew the communists for us. So why would we pick a fight with them? Why would we disrespect them?"
"I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen here, okay? We're going to expand NATO right up close to Russia, and we're going to get a negative reaction from the Russians. And then as soon as we do, all of the people who are now telling us that'll never happen. Don't worry about it. Will then say, 'Aha, see, that's how the Russians are. That's why we have to do this.'"
"You know, essentially Russia's friends with China. So, there's two things we can do there. And this is what I think Trump would prefer to do would be just make friends with Russia and pull them away from China. Maybe he's already decided it's too late for that or he doesn't know how. Um, and then the other side was no, lure Russia into Eastern Europe. bog them down so they're no use to China."
"This is the primordial fear of American you know imperial policy planners is that you would have an alliance between the Germans and the Russians. And so anything that we can do to prevent that we'll do."
"We're getting such a good bang for our buck in Ukraine. Because just think about it, Russian soldiers are dying, but American soldiers are not. So, all we got to do is we just give them money and then they go fight."
"He urged us to tell our troops that this was all part of God's divine plan. And he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the book of Revelations referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ."
"Who the f does this guy think he is? Who's the superpower and who's the client state?"
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