We’ll Do It LIVE! — Howie Mandel
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Summary
Takeaways
- ❖Show business is a microcosm of humanity, not a separate entity with unique values.
- ❖Canada produces a disproportionate amount of global talent across music, film, and comedy.
- ❖The American 'go-getter' attitude contrasts with Canada's safer, more giving environment.
- ❖Instilling hard work and respect in children, even those with privilege, is crucial for their development.
- ❖Authentic, unscripted conversations are a rare and valuable commodity in modern talk shows.
- ❖Comedy's essence lies in finding humor in the darkest places and misfortunes.
- ❖Continuous curiosity about new cultural trends and platforms is essential to avoid becoming irrelevant.
- ❖Therapy should be destigmatized and viewed as essential for mental health, akin to dental check-ups.
Insights
1Show Business as a Microcosm of Humanity
Mandel argues that show business merely projects human behaviors and values on a larger scale, rather than being inherently different from other industries. He finds it amusing that outsiders grant 'gravitas' to those who 'pretend to be something.'
Show business is just it's a microcosm of humanity. I find it really funny that people in that not the people in show business, but the people outside of show business have this gravitas respect for somebody who pretended to be something, you know, it's just pretending. It's not that big a deal to pretend.
2The Canadian Talent Phenomenon
Mandel observes that Canada, despite having a tenth of the US population, produces a disproportionately high number of internationally recognized talents in music, film, and comedy. He speculates there must be 'something in our water.'
per capita. We probably have the highest rate of talent. And whether that is even in music, you know, from Selen Deion to Drake to, you know, so many others to uh film directors Norman Jison and and uh writers and uh and comedians and just producers like Lauren Michaels for such a, you know, we have a tenth the population of all of America.
3Cultural Differences: Canada vs. America
Mandel contrasts the 'safe, wonderful, giving environment' of Canada with the 'go get it' and 'every man for themself' attitude he found in America, which he credits for his career success.
Canada is a beautiful place to live and a beautiful um safe um wonderful giving environment and here it is like uh it feels like and there's nothing wrong with this and that's what I liked about it and this is what I got my career about but it is every man for themsel you know and it's that go get it attitude and you can have a dream and make that dream come true.
4Instilling Work Ethic in Privileged Children
Despite his children growing up with more privilege than he did, Mandel and his wife instilled the importance of hard work and respect. His daughter taught in underserved areas, his son built a successful podcast production company, and his other daughter became a physiotherapist, all earning their own livings.
I've tried to instill into my kids uh the importance and the gratitude of hard work and respect and they've all done that you know I told you the daughter that you met spent every day driving out to you know Krenshaw and Watts and East LA which are really kind of under served areas... my son who actually runs my company and not because I gave him a job. It's not nepotism. It's more nepatism that he hired me. He does one I'm one of maybe 30 different podcasts that he produces... My other daughter... is a physiootherapist.
5The Authentic Talk Show Experience
Mandel and O'Reilly discuss how true, unscripted conversations, like those sometimes found with David Letterman or their own podcast, are rare and valuable in an industry dominated by pre-interviews, publicist control, and promotional plugs.
99.9% of the people that you book on a late night talk show are there to promote whatever it is they're going to promote... a producer has asked you for a really funny interesting story and they want to know what the the outline is so that the you know what is your punch out like what's the end of that story so the uh host knows that that is what the story you're going to tell... The publicist would I know for a fact I did a talk show in the 90s... said, 'You cannot mention Brad Pitt. You can't me and if you do, you're never going to book another one of my clients.'
6Curiosity as the Key to Sustained Relevance
Mandel emphasizes that continuous curiosity about evolving culture, especially new digital platforms and trends, is crucial for staying relevant. He realized this after encountering a YouTube video with 100 million views that he didn't 'get,' prompting him to immerse himself in online culture.
what drives me is curiosity. You know, curiosity is our fuel when we're very young... At about 40 years old, that gets tiring because life is about research... I realized culture moves on. And what is this culture? How do I engage these people? How do I just understand them? I don't have to entertain you. I just want to understand why you think this is funny. And from that moment on, I live and I still go see a therapist for this. I live online. I'm aware of every platform.
7Therapy for Mental Health as Essential Coping
Mandel advocates for therapy as a tool for coping with life's challenges (success, failure, relationships) and believes it should be destigmatized and integrated into life, much like routine dental care.
Gives me and helps me cope. You know, everything in life is coping... you don't have all the tools. And I just think that it should be therapy should be part of our curriculum without a stigma... we need to take care of our mental health the way we take care of our dental health.
Bottom Line
Mandel's discovery of 'Sunny and the Blackpack' on TikTok and subsequently hiring them as his house band demonstrates an unconventional, yet highly effective, method of talent acquisition and content creation, leveraging new platforms to find unique collaborators.
Traditional talent scouting often overlooks emerging digital spaces, leading to missed opportunities for unique collaborations and content.
Businesses and creators can actively scout talent and innovative ideas directly from niche online communities and live streams, leading to unique collaborations and content that stands out.
The practice of keeping late-night studio audiences cold to prevent lethargy and encourage laughter highlights a subtle physiological manipulation for performance optimization.
Environmental factors are intentionally used to influence audience response in live entertainment, often without the audience's awareness.
Consider how subtle environmental or psychological cues can be leveraged in various settings (e.g., retail, presentations, workshops) to optimize engagement and desired reactions from participants or customers.
Opportunities
Podcast Production Hub for Niche Creators
Howie Mandel's son built a company producing 30+ podcasts for various creators, demonstrating a scalable business model for providing production, studio, and technical support to the growing podcasting market. This could include offering studio space, equipment, engineering, and post-production for independent podcasters and content creators, potentially including talent scouting and development.
Talent Incubation & Content Studio for Digital-First Artists
Leveraging a warehouse space to house and support emerging digital talent (like Sunny and the Blackpack) to create content and make industry connections, effectively acting as an incubator. This involves providing a physical space and support system for online artists (musicians, comedians, streamers) to produce high-quality content, collaborate, and network, potentially in exchange for a share of future earnings or content rights.
Key Concepts
Curiosity as Fuel for Relevance
Mandel frames curiosity as the driving force for staying engaged and relevant, especially past middle age, contrasting it with the tendency to settle into established preferences. This model suggests that continuous learning and adaptation to new cultural phenomena are vital for long-term success.
Comedy as Coping Mechanism
Mandel explains that all comedy originates from darkness or misfortune, and a 'sense of humor' is the ability to find sensibility in these dark places. This model positions comedy not just as entertainment, but as a fundamental human coping strategy.
Lessons
- Actively seek out and engage with new digital platforms and cultural trends, even if they initially seem unfamiliar or unappealing, to maintain relevance and understanding.
- Prioritize authenticity and unscripted conversation in your communication, as it fosters deeper connection and stands out in a world of curated content.
- View challenges and 'darkness' not just as obstacles, but as potential sources for creative expression and unique perspectives, especially in fields like comedy or storytelling.
- Consider therapy as a proactive tool for mental well-being and coping, destigmatizing it as a regular 'check-up' for your mind.
- Cultivate an entrepreneurial spirit and strong work ethic in those you mentor, emphasizing earned success over inherited privilege.
Notable Moments
O'Reilly's Reluctance to Host 'We'll Do It Live'
Bill O'Reilly opens by expressing his disdain for the podcast title, 'We'll Do It LIVE!', because it mocks a past on-air gaffe, highlighting his staff's insistence on the self-deprecating humor. This sets a lighthearted, self-aware tone for the interview and immediately establishes a unique dynamic between host and guest.
Howie Mandel's TikTok Discovery of His House Band
Mandel recounts finding 'Sunny and the Blackpack' on TikTok during COVID, inviting them to his LA warehouse, and them becoming his permanent house band, showcasing an innovative approach to talent acquisition. This illustrates the power of new media platforms for talent discovery and the potential for unexpected collaborations that defy traditional industry norms.
The Publicist's Power in Talk Shows
Mandel shares an anecdote from his own talk show where Jennifer Aniston's publicist dictated interview questions and threatened to pull clients if Brad Pitt was mentioned, revealing the stringent control publicists exert over traditional media appearances. This exposes the highly controlled and often inauthentic nature of traditional talk show interviews, contrasting it with the more genuine conversations found in podcasts.
Quotes
"You cannot you have to earn disrespect. I think I we come into whatever the issue is with respect."
"A sense of humor is to find that sensibility in the darkest place. All comedy comes from darkness."
"Curiosity is our fuel when we're very young... At about 40 years old, that gets tiring because life is about research."
"We need to take care of our mental health the way we take care of our dental health."
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