The Oprah Podcast
The Oprah Podcast
February 3, 2026

Discover AWE Daily with Oprah and Dacher Keltner

Quick Read

Psychologist Dacher Keltner reveals how the emotion of awe, defined as encountering vast mysteries, is a universally accessible, everyday experience that significantly reduces anxiety, depression, physical pain, and even fosters social connection and healing.
Awe, the feeling of encountering vast mysteries, is distinct from wonder or gratitude and universally accessible.
Daily awe combats depression, anxiety, loneliness, and physical pain by quieting the ego and reducing inflammation.
Cultivate awe through simple practices like the 'Awok,' focusing on moral beauty, nature, music, or profound ideas.

Summary

Dacher Keltner, a UC Berkeley psychology professor and author of 'Awe, the New Science of Everyday Wonder,' joins Oprah to discuss the profound benefits and accessibility of awe. Keltner defines awe as the emotion felt when encountering vast mysteries, distinguishing it from wonder (the cognitive state of making sense of things) and gratitude (appreciation for concrete things). He explains that daily moments of awe combat modern crises like depression, anxiety, loneliness, and physical pain by quieting the ego and fostering a sense of connection to something larger than oneself. Keltner identifies eight universal sources of awe: moral beauty (kindness, courage), collective effervescence (shared experiences like concerts), nature, music, visual design, spiritual/religious experiences, life and death cycles, and epiphanies (understanding essential truths). He emphasizes that awe is not exclusive to grand events but is found in everyday life, even in challenging environments like San Quentin prison. Keltner introduces the 'Awok' as a practical daily exercise to cultivate awe, highlighting its scientifically proven benefits, including reducing PTSD symptoms in veterans and cooling down inflammation in the body.
In an era marked by rising anxiety, depression, and social division, understanding and cultivating awe offers a scientifically validated, accessible pathway to improved mental, physical, and social well-being. This discussion provides concrete methods for individuals to integrate awe into their daily lives, offering a powerful antidote to modern stressors and fostering a deeper sense of connection and purpose without requiring significant resources or travel.

Takeaways

  • Awe is defined as the emotion felt when encountering vast mysteries, leading to wonder.
  • A few minutes of awe daily can reduce depression, anxiety, physical pain, and loneliness.
  • Awe helps quiet the ego, making individuals feel connected to something larger than themselves.
  • The eight universal sources of awe include moral beauty, collective effervescence, nature, music, visual design, spiritual experiences, life/death cycles, and epiphanies.
  • Moral beauty, witnessing acts of courage and kindness, is the most common and universal source of awe.
  • The 'Awok' (awe walk) is a simple, effective practice to intentionally seek out awe in daily routines.
  • Awe has physical benefits, including reducing inflammation, activating the vagus nerve (calming the body), and alleviating long COVID symptoms.
  • Awe can act as a bridge to heal social divisions by fostering shared humanity and reducing demonization of opponents.
  • Psychedelics are believed to produce self-transcendent states that open individuals to profound awe.

Insights

1Defining Awe: Encountering Vast Mysteries

Awe is an emotion experienced when encountering something vast and mysterious that provokes wonder. It is distinct from wonder (the cognitive process of making sense of the vastness) and gratitude (appreciation for concrete things). The 'vastness' can be physical (e.g., redwoods), conceptual (e.g., quantum physics), or moral (e.g., immense courage).

Keltner states, 'awe is an emotion you feel when you encounter vast things most typically giant redwoods... and then it's mysterious to you... and it provokes you to wonder. So very simply, awe is when we encounter vast mysteries.' He clarifies, 'Awe is an emotion you feel... and then wonder is the cognitive state after awe by which I try to make sense of things.'

2Awe's Multifaceted Benefits for Modern Crises

Engaging in just a few minutes of awe daily significantly addresses contemporary crises of mind, body, and community. It reduces depression and anxiety, alleviates physical pain, and fosters a sense of connection even when experienced alone, directly combating loneliness.

Keltner asserts, 'A minute of awe a day helps us with those crises. It makes you feel less depressed and more happy. It helps your body physically... And it even if you experience awe by yourself with music or nature, you feel connected to community.' He adds, 'a couple minutes of awe reduces physical pain. It reduces long COVID symptoms. It benefits your heart by activating what's called the vagus nerve... it reduces inflammation in the body.'

3Moral Beauty as the Universal Source of Awe

Among the eight identified sources of awe, witnessing 'moral beauty'—the courage, kindness, justice, and humility of other people—is the most common and universally reported trigger for awe across diverse cultures and backgrounds. These experiences often evoke strong emotional responses like tearing up, similar to profound musical experiences.

Keltner notes, 'the most common source and and most universal is what we call moral beauty, which is when you are moved by the courage and kindness, sense of justice and humility of other people.' Oprah shares an example of a man helping during a flood, saying 'This is what Texans do,' which made her eyes water, illustrating moral beauty.

4Awe Quiets the Ego and Fosters Connection

A core mechanism of awe is its ability to quiet the 'ego self,' reducing preoccupation with personal status and to-do lists. This allows individuals to become more aware of their connection to larger entities, whether a community, a musical tradition, a social cause, or the natural environment.

Oprah posits, 'isn't that the whole idea of every awesome experience is that it takes you out of your ego self and allows you to feel that you are a part of something bigger than your small self.' Keltner confirms, 'Time and time again, we started to realize that moments of awe... that nagging voice of the ego quiets down. Your to-do list and your sense of status... it just quiets down. In fact, the brain regions of the ego quiet down.'

Bottom Line

Awe actively cools down inflammation in the body, a significant health benefit often linked to chronic stress and systemic threats like poverty or racism.

So What?

This suggests awe is not merely a psychological comfort but a physiological intervention, offering a natural way to mitigate the physical toll of chronic stress and societal inequities.

Impact

Integrate awe practices into public health initiatives and stress management programs, particularly for vulnerable populations experiencing high levels of chronic stress and inflammation.

Awe can reduce political and social polarization by making individuals appreciate shared humanity and see opponents less demonized.

So What?

This indicates awe has a unique capacity to bridge divides, shifting focus from individual differences to larger shared contexts or values.

Impact

Design community-building activities around shared awe experiences (e.g., national parks, collective art projects) to foster empathy and reduce intergroup conflict.

Awe is a key 'active ingredient' in the therapeutic benefits of psychedelics, fostering self-transcendent states and deep connections.

So What?

This provides a deeper understanding of how psychedelic-assisted therapy works, suggesting that the awe-inducing aspect is crucial for healing and personal growth.

Impact

Further research into non-pharmacological awe induction methods could potentially replicate some therapeutic benefits of psychedelics without the substances, or enhance psychedelic therapy by priming for awe.

Opportunities

Awe Walk (Awok) Programs

Develop and lead guided 'Awok' experiences in urban and natural settings. These programs would teach participants how to intentionally seek out and recognize moments of awe in their daily environment, focusing on elements like nature, moral beauty, and visual design. Offer corporate wellness versions to reduce employee stress and foster connection.

Source: Keltner describes the 'Awok' as a tested practice where people look for awe during their walks, mentioning 'thousands of them are being led by practitioners of awoks now around the world.'

Trauma-Informed Nature Immersion Therapy

Create specialized outdoor programs, similar to the Sierra Club's veteran initiatives, that leverage awe-inspiring natural environments (e.g., rafting, rock climbing) to help individuals heal from trauma and grief. Focus on challenging activities that foster courage and connection, resulting in measurable reductions in symptoms like PTSD.

Source: Keltner details Stacy Bear's work with veterans, stating, 'get veterans outdoors... we took veterans on a a half-day rafting trip... and it led to a 32% drop in PTSD.'

Educational Curricula for Cultivating Awe

Develop and implement educational programs for schools and communities that prioritize moral beauty, engagement with big ideas, music, and visual arts, and provide unstructured 'wandering' time. The goal is to counteract achievement-driven environments and address rising anxiety in young people by fostering a sense of wonder and connection.

Source: Keltner advises, 'get them off the junk of their devices... Let them wander. Give them more spare time. And then... let them do the things that we deprioritize of music and visual art... get them to reflect on the people who move them. And then... think about the big ideas they care about.'

Key Concepts

The Eight Wonders of Life (Sources of Awe)

This model categorizes the universal experiences that reliably evoke awe. These include: 1. Moral Beauty (witnessing kindness/courage), 2. Collective Effervescence (shared emotional experiences), 3. Nature, 4. Music, 5. Visual Design (art, architecture), 6. Spiritual/Religious Experiences, 7. Life and Death Cycles, and 8. Epiphanies (sudden understanding of essential truths). Understanding these categories allows for intentional cultivation of awe.

Lessons

  • Integrate an 'Awok' into your weekly routine: Take a walk with the explicit intention of seeking out vast mysteries and moments of awe in nature, moral beauty, or visual design.
  • Actively seek out 'moral beauty' by observing acts of kindness, courage, or humility in others, whether in person, through stories, or in media.
  • Engage with music, art, and nature intentionally, allowing yourself to be struck by their vastness and mystery, rather than just consuming them passively.
  • Reflect on 'big ideas' that matter to you, such as scientific concepts (AI, quantum physics), philosophical truths, or historical movements, to experience intellectual awe.
  • Prioritize experiences that foster 'collective effervescence,' like attending concerts, sporting events, or community gatherings, to feel connected to a larger group.

The Daily 'Awok' Practice

1

**Choose Your Time:** Dedicate 10-20 minutes once a week (or more frequently) for an intentional walk.

2

**Set Your Intention:** Before you start, consciously decide to look for moments of awe. Remind yourself that awe is found in vast mysteries, not just grand spectacles.

3

**Observe with Fresh Eyes:** As you walk, actively notice elements of nature (clouds, trees, sounds of birds), instances of moral beauty (someone helping another), interesting visual designs (architecture, patterns), or even profound ideas that come to mind.

4

**Allow the Feeling:** When you encounter something vast or mysterious, pause. Let the feeling of awe wash over you. Notice how your ego quiets down and you feel more connected to something larger.

5

**Reflect Briefly:** After your walk, take a moment to recall what you experienced. This reinforces the neural pathways associated with awe and makes it easier to find next time.

Notable Moments

Keltner's personal experience of awe during his brother's death.

This deeply personal anecdote highlights that awe can arise from profound life events, even grief, and can lead to transformative insights about the nature of life, death, and connection beyond the physical realm, challenging conventional scientific understanding.

The San Quentin Prison Awe Experiment

This demonstrates the universal accessibility of awe, proving that it can be found even in the most deprived and challenging environments. The prisoners' responses (grandchild, diploma, Quran, baylight) underscore that awe is not dependent on external circumstances but on an internal capacity for wonder, offering a powerful tool for healing and rehabilitation.

Quotes

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"A minute of awe a day helps us with those crises. It makes you feel less depressed and more happy. It helps your body physically... And it it even if you experience awe by yourself with music or nature, you feel connected to community."

Dacher Keltner
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"The most common source and and most universal is what we call moral beauty, which is when you are moved by the courage and kindness, sense of justice and humility of other people."

Dacher Keltner
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"Every awesome experience is that it takes you out of your ego self and allows you to feel that you are a part of something bigger than your small self."

Oprah Winfrey
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"Your ability to experience awe is within reach of every human being, even at San Quentin prison."

Oprah Winfrey

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