Interviews 02
Interviews 02
February 6, 2026

Larry C. Johnson & Col. Larry Wilkerson: The New Axis? Russia, Iran War Shield & China’s WARNING

Quick Read

The US's attempts to coerce Iran through military posturing and economic warfare are failing, as Iran, backed by a coordinating Russia and China, exposes the declining efficacy of US power and accelerates a new global financial order.
US 'armada' near Iran is a diminished, vulnerable force, not a credible threat.
Russia and China are actively coordinating to counter US influence and build alternative financial systems.
US economic sanctions against Iran are an admitted act of war, driving Iran towards nuclear weapon development.

Summary

The podcast analyzes the escalating tensions between the US and Iran, highlighting the US's miscalculations in negotiations and military strategy. Guests Larry Johnson and Colonel Larry Wilkerson argue that the US's 'armada' in the region is militarily ineffective and vulnerable, while its demands for Iran to cease ballistic missile development and regional support are unrealistic. They contend that the US's true objective is regime change, not nuclear non-proliferation. Crucially, Russia and China are closely coordinating, including pre-planned naval exercises and discussions on a new financial order, with China's CIPS system poised to challenge SWIFT. The US's economic sanctions, explicitly designed to create a dollar shortage and internal unrest in Iran, are framed as an act of war, further solidifying Iranian resolve to potentially develop nuclear weapons as a deterrent. The discussion also touches on the potential for the Epstein scandal to drive Trump towards a diversionary war and the broader decline of US global influence.
This analysis reveals a significant shift in global power dynamics, where traditional US military and economic leverage is diminishing. It underscores the risks of US foreign policy miscalculations, particularly in the Middle East, which could trigger regional conflicts with global repercussions. The coordinated rise of Russia and China, coupled with their development of alternative financial systems, signals a fundamental challenge to the dollar's dominance and the existing world order, impacting global trade, finance, and geopolitical stability.

Takeaways

  • US attempts to bully Iran into negotiations failed, as Iran refused preconditions on ballistic missiles and regional support.
  • The US naval 'armada' deployed near Iran is significantly smaller and positioned too far offshore for effective Tomahawk missile use, making it a limited and vulnerable force.
  • US aircraft carriers are increasingly obsolete against modern anti-ship and hypersonic missiles, with a high risk of being sunk in a conflict.
  • Russia and China are conducting pre-planned joint naval exercises in the region and are coordinating closely on geopolitical responses, including potential US attacks on Iran.
  • China's Cross-Border Interbank Payment System (CIPS) is a digital, superior alternative to SWIFT, signaling a move towards a new financial order.
  • Xi Jinping explicitly stated China's intent to make the Renminbi a global reserve currency, challenging the US dollar's dominance.
  • A US official admitted to intentionally creating a dollar shortage in Iran to trigger protests, which is framed as an act of war.
  • Iranian public sentiment is increasingly in favor of developing nuclear weapons as a deterrent against US aggression.
  • The Epstein scandal's ongoing revelations could pressure Trump to initiate a diversionary war to shift public attention.

Insights

1US Coercion Fails, Iran Refuses Preconditions

The US attempted to force Iran into negotiations by demanding concessions on ballistic missiles and support for regional groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran rejected these preconditions, leading US officials to express 'surprise' at their refusal. This indicates a fundamental misunderstanding by the US of Iran's resolve and negotiating position.

Larry Johnson states, 'The US attempt to bully Iran back into saying okay you got to talk you got to give up ballistic missiles... and Iran said okay no talks and then according to Axios the US officials were surprised.'

2US Naval 'Armada' is a Diminished and Vulnerable Force

The current US naval deployment, dubbed an 'armada,' consists of fewer ships (one carrier, three destroyers) compared to previous operations. These ships are reportedly kept a thousand miles offshore, limiting the range of their Tomahawk missiles and rendering them ineffective against Iranian targets. Experts warn that modern anti-ship and hypersonic missiles make aircraft carriers highly vulnerable, risking significant loss of life and equipment.

Larry Johnson details, 'This current mighty armada is one aircraft carrier, three destroyers. That's it.' He adds, 'they're keeping that the the naval force about a thousand miles offshore... the Tomahawk missile can only travel a thousand miles.' Colonel Wilkerson states, 'This technology on the kill the carrier side has progressed a lot further than the carriers defenses... We might lose a carrier.'

3Russia and China Coordinate Against US Hegemony

Russia and China are actively coordinating their geopolitical strategies, including pre-planned joint naval exercises in the region and high-level discussions between Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin. Their collaboration extends to bolstering Iran's defenses and developing alternative financial systems to challenge the US dollar's global dominance.

Larry Johnson mentions, 'Russian and Chinese naval flotilla warships that are are in route to the area. This is pre-planned... to conduct their joint annual military exercise.' He also notes, 'Shiin Ping and Vladimir Putin had an hour and 25 minute conference call... they're both solidly committed to playing the role the dominant role in the world... and really helping create... a new financial order.'

4China's CIPS System Challenges SWIFT, Renminbi as Reserve Currency

China has developed the Cross-Border Interbank Payment System (CIPS), a digital alternative to SWIFT, which is described as significantly more efficient. Xi Jinping has also explicitly stated China's ambition to establish the Renminbi as a global reserve currency, signaling a direct challenge to the US dollar's role in international finance.

Colonel Wilkerson quotes Xi Jinping: 'We are going to make the rameni a global reserve currency.' Larry Johnson explains CIPS: 'It is a digital competitor to swift in fact I can't even call it a competitor because it runs circles around swift.'

5US Economic Sanctions are an Act of War, Fueling Iranian Nuclear Ambition

A US official, Scott Pessant, openly admitted that the US intentionally created a dollar shortage in Iran, leading to currency collapse, inflation, and public protests. This economic warfare is viewed by analysts as an act of war. This aggressive US posture is paradoxically strengthening the resolve within Iran, including among its populace and potentially its leadership, to develop nuclear weapons as the ultimate deterrent.

Scott Pessant states, 'What we have do is have done is created a dollar shortage in the country... The central bank had to print money. The Iranian currency went into freefall. Inflation exploded and hence we have seen the Iranian people out on the street.' Larry Johnson responds, 'What he's admitted to is the United States has committed an act of war against Iran.' Colonel Wilkerson notes, 'Iran made a mistake. It should have developed a nuclear weapon.'

Bottom Line

The US's 'virtual embassy' in Tehran issuing a warning for Americans to leave Iran could be a genuine precursor to military action or a psychological operation to create an impression of imminent strike.

So What?

This ambiguity creates uncertainty and could be used to manipulate perceptions or justify future actions, regardless of actual intent. It highlights the use of information warfare alongside conventional military posturing.

Impact

Analysts and foreign policy observers should scrutinize such warnings for patterns and differentiate between genuine threats and psychological operations, as they can indicate shifts in diplomatic or military intent.

The ongoing Epstein scandal, with its potential to implicate high-profile US figures, might serve as a powerful incentive for the Trump administration to initiate a diversionary war.

So What?

This suggests that domestic political pressures and personal scandals could significantly influence US foreign policy decisions, potentially leading to irrational or desperate military actions abroad.

Impact

Understanding the interplay between domestic political vulnerabilities and foreign policy decisions is crucial for predicting geopolitical flashpoints and assessing the true motivations behind international actions.

Opportunities

Global Digital Interbank Payment System (CIPS-like)

Develop and promote a highly efficient, digital cross-border interbank payment system that significantly outperforms legacy systems like SWIFT in speed, cost, and reliability. This system would cater to nations and entities seeking alternatives to dollar-denominated transactions and Western-controlled financial infrastructure.

Source: Larry Johnson's description of China's CIPS system.

Non-Dollar Commodity Trading Platforms

Create trading platforms and financial instruments that facilitate the exchange of critical commodities (e.g., oil, gas, minerals) in non-dollar denominated currencies, particularly the Renminbi or a basket of emerging market currencies. This capitalizes on the global shift away from dollar hegemony and the desire for financial independence.

Source: Colonel Wilkerson's mention of the Renminbi becoming a global reserve currency and oil being delineated in Renminbi.

Key Concepts

Theater of the Absurd

Larry Johnson uses this to describe the current state of US foreign policy and military posturing, where actions lack logical coherence or realistic outcomes, often leading to unintended and self-defeating consequences. This applies to the US's 'armada' and its economic sanctions against Iran.

Banana in the Tailpipe

Used by Larry Johnson to illustrate Iran's learned caution. After being 'sucker punched' by US-backed attacks following previous negotiations, Iran is no longer naive and will not fall for similar diplomatic traps, entering talks with 'eyes wide open'.

Lessons

  • Monitor the development and adoption of non-SWIFT payment systems like China's CIPS, as their growth indicates a fundamental shift in global financial infrastructure and potential for new investment opportunities.
  • Evaluate geopolitical risk in the Middle East by considering the diminished efficacy of US military power and the increased coordination between Russia, China, and Iran, rather than relying on traditional assessments of US dominance.
  • Assess the long-term implications of the Renminbi's rise as a potential global reserve currency, and consider diversifying financial holdings or trade strategies to account for a multi-currency world.

Quotes

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"This is not about nuclear weapons or uranium enrichment, this is all about regime change. The West does not give a damn in in in reality that thinking it has to fix eliminate the the the non-existent nuclear threat. This is about getting rid of the Islamic Republic, exterminating it. That's what this is about."

Larry Johnson
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"This technology on the kill the carrier side has progressed a lot further than the carriers defenses, subsurface, surface, and air have advanced. So, one of the things someone probably whispered in Trump's ear was, 'We might lose a carrier.'"

Colonel Larry Wilkerson
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"We are going to make the rameni a global reserve currency... We are industrial a capitalistic industrial and economic power second to none. The way to get to the top is to develop a financial system and then that reserve currency for the remi is part of that."

Colonel Larry Wilkerson (quoting Xi Jinping)
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"What we have do is have done is created a dollar shortage in the country... The Iranian currency went into freefall. Inflation exploded and hence we have seen the Iranian people out on the street."

Scott Pessant
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"America just refuses to look in the mirror and realize that we we are not a force for good in the world. We're a force for evil, for death, for destruction."

Larry Johnson

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