Legal AF Podcast
Legal AF Podcast
•January 29, 2026

🚨Rubio FOLDS under AGGRESSIVE CROSS-EXAM at Hearing

Quick Read

Senator Marco Rubio faced aggressive cross-examination at a Senate hearing, where the host alleges he repeatedly lied and squirmed under questioning regarding US foreign policy, the Alien Enemies Act, Venezuelan oil money, and NATO alliances.
ā—Rubio struggled to reconcile the Alien Enemies Act's use with the US not being 'at war' with Venezuela.
ā—Rubio denied Trump informed oil executives about Venezuela operations before Congress, contradicting Trump's public statements.
ā—Questions arose about the legality and oversight of Venezuelan oil money held in Qatari accounts, with no clear audit process finalized.

Summary

During a Senate hearing, Senator Marco Rubio was intensely cross-examined by Democratic senators, including Tammy Duckworth, Brian Schatz, Tim Kaine, and Jacky Rosen, on various foreign policy issues. The host characterizes Rubio's performance as 'folding' and engaging in 'perjury,' citing instances where Rubio's statements contradicted public record or avoided direct answers. Key topics included the invocation of the Alien Enemies Act against Venezuela, the possibility of US regime change in Cuba, alleged prior notification of oil executives about Venezuelan operations, the handling of Venezuelan oil funds in Qatar, and Trump's comments on NATO allies. Republican Senator Rand Paul also challenged Rubio on the constitutional definition of war regarding US actions in Venezuela.
This hearing highlights significant accountability concerns regarding US foreign policy decisions and the transparency of government officials. The host's accusations of perjury and evasion by a high-ranking official like Rubio underscore potential issues with executive power, congressional oversight, and the public's right to information on critical international actions and the handling of foreign assets.

Takeaways

  • ā–Rubio was grilled on the application of the Alien Enemies Act to Venezuela, given the US was not officially at war.
  • ā–Senators challenged Rubio on the US stance regarding regime change in Cuba, seeking a public commitment to rule it out.
  • ā–Rubio's denial that Trump informed oil executives about Venezuela operations before Congress was contrasted with Trump's own public statements.
  • ā–Concerns were raised about the lack of congressional oversight and legal authority for holding Venezuelan oil funds in Qatar.
  • ā–Rubio admitted Trump mistook Iceland for Greenland, despite other officials denying it.
  • ā–Rand Paul pressed Rubio on the double standard of defining 'war' when applied to US actions versus hypothetical attacks on the US.
  • ā–Senator Kaine highlighted the administration's classification of details surrounding US military operations off Venezuela, preventing public scrutiny of alleged war crimes.

Insights

1Alien Enemies Act Invocation Questioned for Venezuela

Senator Tammy Duckworth cross-examined Rubio about the Trump administration's invocation of the Alien Enemies Act against Venezuela, a law historically used during declared wars (e.g., War of 1812, WWI, WWII). Duckworth pressed Rubio on whether the US was 'at war' with Venezuela, highlighting the contradiction of using a wartime power without a declared war.

Duckworth stated the act was last used for Japanese internment and asked if Rubio would advise rescinding its invocation if the US was not at war with Venezuela. Rubio responded by framing it as a mechanism to remove dangerous individuals like gang members, avoiding a direct answer on the 'state of war' with Venezuela.

2Ambiguity on Cuba Regime Change

Senator Brian Schatz questioned Rubio on whether the Trump administration planned for regime change in Cuba, asking for a public commitment to rule it out. Rubio expressed a desire for a change in the Cuban regime but distinguished it from active US-precipitated regime change, citing the Helms-Burton Act's codification of requiring regime change to lift the embargo.

Schatz asked, 'Will you make a public commitment today to rule out US regime change in Cuba?' Rubio responded, 'Regime change? Yes. Oh, no. I think we would love to see the regime there change... That doesn't mean that we're going to make a change, but we would love to see a change.'

3Contradiction on Informing Oil Executives About Venezuela Operations

Senator Chris Van Hollen grilled Rubio about President Trump's public statements that he informed oil executives about the Venezuela invasion before Congress. Rubio denied this, claiming it 'never happened' and that oil executives learned about the operation at the same time as everyone else, directly contradicting Trump's own public remarks.

Van Hollen stated, 'President Trump has said publicly that he had communications with folks from the oil industry about going into Venezuela before anyone here in Congress was notified.' Rubio replied, 'That never happened. I couldn't be with him because it never happened. The oil executives were not involved whatsoever in any of the planning on this matter.' Van Hollen countered, 'President Trump has said the opposite in public.'

4Defense of Trump's NATO Comments

Senator Tammy Duckworth challenged Rubio on President Trump's statements about NATO allies not fighting alongside American soldiers, highlighting the sacrifices made by allies. Rubio attempted to reframe Trump's comments as a desire for allies to have more capabilities, rather than a dismissal of their contributions.

Duckworth recounted her experience serving with Polish, British, and Spanish forces in Iraq and noted Polish troops died in Afghanistan. Rubio responded, 'the president just wants our allies to have more capabilities to to be involved in operations like that... That's not what the president said.'

5Evasion on Juan Orlando Hernandez Pardon

Senator Jacky Rosen questioned Rubio about President Trump's pardon of former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez, who was convicted of trafficking 400 tons of cocaine. Rubio deflected, stating he was not involved in the pardon process and could not opine on the specifics, despite the public record of Hernandez's conviction.

Rosen asked, 'To the best of your knowledge, was Hernandez convicted of trafficking approximately 400 tons of cocaine into the United States?' Rubio replied, 'I'm not involved in the pardon process.' When pressed, he added, 'I can't give you much insight because I'm not involved in the pardon process.'

6Lack of Oversight for Venezuelan Oil Funds in Qatar

Senator Brian Schatz questioned Rubio about the statutory authority for holding Venezuelan oil funds in Qatar, rather than depositing them with the US Treasury, and the lack of immediate congressional oversight. Rubio explained it was a temporary measure due to non-recognition of the Venezuelan government and to prevent seizure by creditors, but admitted the audit process for expenditures was not yet finalized.

Schatz asked, 'What is the statutory authority for the administration relying on cutter to hold the funds?' Rubio stated, 'It's not our funds. The funds are in an account that's owned and signed. It's an account that belongs to Venezuela, but it has US sanctions as a blocking mechanism on it.' He later confirmed an audit process 'will be set up' but 'we haven't finalized what that audit process would be.'

7Trump's Iceland/Greenland Gaffe Acknowledged

Senator Tim Kaine questioned Rubio about President Trump repeatedly mistaking Iceland for Greenland in public statements. Rubio admitted Trump made a 'verbal stumble' and meant Greenland, contrasting with other administration officials who had denied the mistake.

Kaine played a clip of Trump saying, 'I told them about Iceland. They loved me... Iceland has already cost us a lot of money.' Kaine then asked, 'The president just mistook the two countries for each other. Correct.' Rubio responded, 'Yeah, he meant to say Greenland, but I think we're all familiar with presidents that have verbal stumbles.'

8Who Directs US Foreign Policy?

Senator Jacky Rosen pressed Rubio on who is actually directing US foreign policy, given the numerous special envoys and advisors operating independently. Rubio asserted that President Donald J. Trump is the ultimate lead, with his role as National Security Advisor and Secretary of State being to coordinate and present options.

Rosen asked, 'Are you the lead for US government on foreign policy?' Rubio replied, 'No. The lead on US foreign policy is named Donald J. Trump, the president of the United States.' He explained his role as National Security Advisor is to 'coordinate the inter agency function of national security and that involves foreign policy.'

9Rand Paul Challenges Definition of 'War'

Senator Rand Paul challenged Rubio on the administration's expansive view of presidential power to conduct military-like operations without congressional authorization, specifically regarding Venezuela. Paul used a hypothetical scenario of a foreign country attacking the US president to highlight the double standard in defining an 'act of war.'

Paul asked, 'if a foreign country bombed our air defense missiles, captured and removed our president, and blockaded our country, would that be considered an act of war?' Rubio avoided a direct 'yes' or 'no,' stating, 'We just don't believe that this operation comes anywhere close to the constitutional definition of war.' Paul concluded, 'Of course it would be an act of war... One-way arguments that don't rebound... are bad arguments.'

10Classified Information Obstructs Oversight of Venezuela Operations

Senator Tim Kaine expressed frustration that the Trump administration had classified details about US military operations off the coast of Venezuela, including strikes on fishing boats and alleged murder of shipwreck survivors. This classification prevented public hearings and congressional oversight on the legality and rationale of these actions.

Kaine stated, 'I'd like to talk about the complete weakness of the legal rationale about the strikes on boats in international waters, but I can't because the administration has only shared it with members in a classified setting.' He encouraged colleagues to ask for briefings on each strike and inquire about evidence of narcotics, suggesting they would be 'very surprised.'

Lessons

  • Scrutinize official justifications for using wartime powers like the Alien Enemies Act when a state of war is not formally declared.
  • Demand transparency and public accountability for the handling of foreign assets, especially when funds are held in third-country accounts with unclear oversight mechanisms.
  • Challenge inconsistencies between public statements by high-ranking officials and their testimonies under oath, particularly when they contradict the President's own remarks.

Quotes

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"So, are we at war, yes or no, with Venezuela? Do you believe that's an act of war?"

Senator Tammy Duckworth
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"That never happened. I couldn't be with him because it never happened. The oil executives were not involved whatsoever in any of the planning on this matter."

Marco Rubio
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"To the best of your knowledge, was Hernandez convicted of trafficking approximately 400 tons of cocaine into the United States?"

Senator Jacky Rosen
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"No. The lead on US foreign policy is named Donald J. Trump, the president of the United States."

Marco Rubio
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"But would it be an act of war if someone did it to us? Nobody dies. Few casualties. They're in and out. Boom. It's a perfect military operation. Would that be an act of war? Of course it would be an act of war."

Senator Rand Paul
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"I'd like to talk about the complete weakness of the legal rationale about the strikes on boats in international waters, but I can't because the administration has only shared it with members in a classified setting."

Senator Tim Kaine

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